The Great Debate: Floyd or Zeppelin?

[Stig]

Obviously it's The Who

[Duke Malcolm]

It's nice to see you here again ianofsmeg16!!
Damned tricky to decide, though. I had to say Floyd, though.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Obviously it's The Who

Obviously as its they who invented the beast. No Hendrix was not the guy who turned up his amp and started playing outrageously loud. It was Townsend and the Who. They invented hard rock along with bands like Blue Cheer.

Floyd is probably the greatest prog rock band of all time however. Zep the 2nd best blues based rock band behind Cream IMHO.

The Who are basicly a hard rock band that ventures into prog. Listen to Live at Leeds and see what I mean. These guys held the record for the loudest band in concert for decades.

[InsaneApache]

Indeed. Although I do believe that Sabbath pinched that particular honour.

I used to like Zep when my elder brother started paying their stuff in the early 70s.

Having said that, when he brought home 'The Piper at the gates of Dawn' , 'Obscured by Clounds' and finally 'Relics' i think that Floyd would edge it, if only for the mix of stuff they did.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Indeed. Although I do believe that Sabbath pinched that particular honour.

Are you for real?

The Who were releasing records in 64 . Sabbath was a late comer not being formed until 69 and releasing records in 70.

Listen to the power chords in Substitute from 1966.

[InsaneApache]

I know that. I was referring to the loudest band in rock claim.

I'd prefer the Who out of the two anyway.

The intro to 'Won't get fooled again' is very nice.

[phoenix[illusion]]

I'm really don't like Pink Floyd. Their music i too boring, so I voted for Zep. Zep is good, but there are better old rock bends like Jethro Tull, The Who, Boston, Uriah Heep, maybe they are not popular as Zep and Floyd, but they got better music.

[Reverend Joe]

Obviously as its they who invented the beast. No Hendrix was not the guy who turned up his amp and started playing outrageously loud. It was Townsend and the Who. They invented hard rock along with bands like Blue Cheer.

It's not a matter of playing loud. Most everyone can do that (hell, it was really the Chicago Bluesmen invented the amped-up guitar; the "beast" as you call it.) It's a matter of playing well. In that respect, the Who don't hold a candle to Hendrix.

[Stig]

Talking of guitarists in that case I like Brian May, Red Special connected to the Deacy Amp can give wonderfull strange and good usably sounds.

Sure Hendrix, Santana and Clapton are the best when talking of normal material.

[Moros]

Talking of guitarists in that case I like Brian May, Red Special connected to the Deacy Amp can give wonderfull strange and good usably sounds.

Sure Hendrix, Santana and Clapton are the best when talking of normal material.

Stag, err... I mean Stig (yes that is a rather stupid joke) Anyway..
Best guitarist ever: steve vai!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

In that respect, the Who don't hold a candle to Hendrix.

Thats a matter of opinion. Certainly the case can be made that Hendrix is the greatest guitar player ever . Hendrix is great but again isnt pure rock. And as far as talent goes dont tell me they cant hold a candle to his band. Entwistle and Moon blow them away and Daltry has one of the best voices in the history of rock. Not to mention that when it comes to writting Pete is by far his master.

In fact when Hendix first came to England Pete was told he was stealing his act and so he went to see him. Petes reaction? He said hes not stealing my act hes perfecting it.:)

[Stig]

Hendrix is great but again isnt pure rock.

You don't have to play rock to be a good guitar player

What I do like to say is that Entwistle is the best bass player ever tho.


And now we're on about The Who, this clip has to be watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g

[GeneralHankerchief]

Can't be bothered to find that "back to topic" smiley.

That said, both have merits. Zeppelin never played a bad song (as compared to Floyd with their stuff from Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother), but IMHO Floyd also wrote more good ones.

Singer: Floyd was just all over the place with this. First they had Barrett, then Gilmour/Waters, completely Waters, then completely Gilmour. They even got Roy Harper to sing on Have a Cigar. Robert Plant was consistently Zeppelin's vocalist, and better than any of 'em on Floyd.
Edge: Zeppelin

Guitarist: Apples and oranges, as Beirut said earlier. Page is Page and Gilmour is Gilmour. But if anyone says that Page is more hard rockin', let me point you to Dogs.
Edge: even

Auxilary: John Paul Jones is a good keyboardist. But this is where Floyd and Rick Wright shine (on?).
Edge: Floyd

Percussion: Bonham. Mason is decent but just can't hold his own against Zep's drummer.
Edge: Zeppelin

Writing: Zep had some pretty cool stuff in there, like Ramble On and The Battle of Evermore. But mostly, when you come down to it, they were always a blues-related band that expanded a little bit later on in their career. Floyd, with Syd and Waters and (gah!) Gilmour were all over the map.
Edge: Floyd

So it's 2.5 to 2.5. I like Floyd better, so I'm giving the final edge to them.

[Reverend Joe]

Yeah, I know its opinion. But don't go knocking the Band of Gypsies, now. I know the Experience was really amateurish, but you have to admit that the Gypsies were one of the most amazing bands in music history.

As far as writing, well, that's a matter of opinion, as well. I personally find the Who's songs to be really mundane, and aside from the first 15-30 seconds of listening to them perform, they get really old, really fast. And anyway, Hendrix never had the time to really get ahold of writing; however, his posthumous recordings show (at least, in my opinion) an exponentially growing writing talent.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

But don't go knocking the Band of Gypsies, now.

Im not knocking them Saying their not as good on their instruments as Entwistle and Moon is no knock. I dont know of any better bass player or drummer.

I personally find the Who's songs to be really mundane,

Tommy and Quadraphenia are mundane? Whos Next is mundane? And you tell me dont knock Band of Gypsies?

What I do like to say is that Entwistle is the best bass player ever tho.

The Ox was indeed the best.

And now we're on about The Who, this clip has to be watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g

Only watched 1 second of it. It loks like the clip from the Smothers Bros where Moon put a charge in his drums. Then he doubled it and at the end blew it up causing deafness. I remember watching this when it was first aired back in the 70s.