Fighting to Death????

[Eng]

when a certain unit that gets surrounded and has no where to go (while routing) your unit goes into fighting to death mode...the problem is they dont fight, I mean the enemy doesn't take any casualties and you just lose your units in a second...
does this happen only to me and do you also believe this is useless???

[Sirrvs]

They do fight, although at severely reduced strength. I've seen them take one or two enemies down with them.

[Von Nanega]

I lost a general once when some levy spearmen fought to the death. They all died but they hurt me.

[WhiskeyGhost]

You've gotta consider the fact that when they are fighting to the death they are :

1. Routed level of morale (that means if they could run away they would)
If your men are already panicking, then chances are they aren't good for a fight.

2. Surrounded - This means that your men are most likely taking on multiple enemies from various directions. 1v1 is fine and dandy, but a 3v1 fight isn't good.

3 Depleted - Most circumstances (exception militia or vs gunpowder/siege) your units will have a severely reduced number before even getting to that state.


So yeah, add those 3 things together, and despite fighting to the death, they shouldn't be doing much at all.

[Joshwa]

I like that feature, it's pretty neat. I read in a book on Roman field tactics that surrounding an enemy army from all sides was often deliberately avoided, because troops would be more likely to fight on, and so an 'escape route' was usually left, with cavalry waiting to pounce on routers of course

[CMcMahon]

I don't know, it seems to me that "fighting to the death units" are far harder to kill than they normally are, simply because the surrounding enemy is too lame to stab them.

[pike master]

i think elite units instead of fighting to the death when they are surrounded go into berserker mode.

[Rhedd]

i think elite units instead of fighting to the death when they are surrounded go into berserker mode.

I think DFKs should have plasma rifles. >_>

[Kadagar_AV]

It's pretty stupid that "fighting to the death" makes the men fighting to the death fight so poorly.

As mentioned, well schooled generals of all times have made sure to leave their enemy a way out... The catch-phrase would be: "You don't know how bravely someone can fight until you give him no way out".

[Tusk]

As soon as an enemy unit's flag starts flashing red, I pull one of the units fighting them away - much easier to capture/kill when they are routing, plus if you kill them all, there's less money for you when you ransom them later.

If one of your units does it, I suppose there is an added advantage that it ties up 3-4 enemy units in melee for longer, allowing you more space to maneuver your other troops (if you have any left).

[Hermann the Lombard]

I read in a book on Roman field tactics that surrounding an enemy army from all sides was often deliberately avoided, because troops would be more likely to fight on, and so an 'escape route' was usually left, with cavalry waiting to pounce on routers of course

Classic Mongol tactics, along with the feigned retreat.