Fighting to Death????

**Von Nanega** · 06-11-2007, 16:45

I lost a general once when some levy spearmen fought to the death. They all died but they hurt me.

**WhiskeyGhost** · 06-11-2007, 18:07

You've gotta consider the fact that when they are fighting to the death they are :

1. Routed level of morale (that means if they could run away they would)
If your men are already panicking, then chances are they aren't good for a fight.

2. Surrounded - This means that your men are most likely taking on multiple enemies from various directions. 1v1 is fine and dandy, but a 3v1 fight isn't good.

3 Depleted - Most circumstances (exception militia or vs gunpowder/siege) your units will have a severely reduced number before even getting to that state.

So yeah, add those 3 things together, and despite fighting to the death, they shouldn't be doing much at all.

**Joshwa** · 06-11-2007, 18:20

I like that feature, it's pretty neat. I read in a book on Roman field tactics that surrounding an enemy army from all sides was often deliberately avoided, because troops would be more likely to fight on, and so an 'escape route' was usually left, with cavalry waiting to pounce on routers of course

**CMcMahon** · 06-12-2007, 03:19

I don't know, it seems to me that "fighting to the death units" are far harder to kill than they normally are, simply because the surrounding enemy is too lame to stab them.

**pike master** · 06-12-2007, 04:54

i think elite units instead of fighting to the death when they are surrounded go into berserker mode.

**Rhedd** · 06-12-2007, 06:55

Originally Posted by mad cat mech

i think elite units instead of fighting to the death when they are surrounded go into berserker mode.

I think DFKs should have plasma rifles. >_>

**Kadagar_AV** · 06-12-2007, 07:22

It's pretty stupid that "fighting to the death" makes the men fighting to the death fight so poorly.

As mentioned, well schooled generals of all times have made sure to leave their enemy a way out... The catch-phrase would be: "You don't know how bravely someone can fight until you give him no way out".

**Hermann the Lombard** · 06-12-2007, 19:06

Originally Posted by Joshwa

I read in a book on Roman field tactics that surrounding an enemy army from all sides was often deliberately avoided, because troops would be more likely to fight on, and so an 'escape route' was usually left, with cavalry waiting to pounce on routers of course

Classic Mongol tactics, along with the feigned retreat.