Is New Labour the New BNP?

[AntiochusIII]

The tide is turning on the multi-culturalism at last, thank god, so the consensus is now that you will be welcomed as long as you attempt to fit into Britain, because the previous policy whereby Britain attempted to fit (every different) you is now recognised as a disaster.

Whatever you Europeans have as the definition for multi-culturalism, in my definition it is almost a universally positive thing. It's like genetic diversity, the more the better.

So what is this evil multi-culturalism you speak of? I get some rough sketches from the many posts by the org's European posters, something about misguided privileges being wrongly considered as accommodation and all that (which to me is not even close to "multi-culturalism") -- but never the full idea.

no one is talking about denying social housing to immigrants, what we are saying is a countries first duty is to the welfare of its citizens, not foreign nationals, that does not mean however you have a license to treat the latter group like p00p.

Even foreign nationals who intend to become citizens?

Like I said, on both a moral and practical basis, Need should come before the exclusive citizenship club membership. This is not voting rights, but housing for the poor. If you can't take them and treat them fair you don't take them in the first place.

Then again, I've never really bought any "nationalist" (for lack of a better term...or just my inability to express whatever I mean) myself...

the collapse of culture is a real problem in certain areas of inner cities where immigration has concentrated huge numbers of foreign nationals to the point where they nearly out-number the locals. it is not a problem in my area, and i have never felt that >I< had a problem with too much immigration, but there are plenty who do, and many of those are legitimate.

Collapse of culture? That doesn't even make sense.

In any case immigrants outnumbering the locals is not inherently a problem unless the immigrant group abuse that Democratic superiority (random term :P). One could prevent that situation by a proper system of checks and balances in the government anyway.

Unless you're asserting that cultural changes that come with demographic changes are inherently wrong.

Like I said, bringing those Pakistanis to the pubs and teaching them why Monty Python is the best geeky thing ever is far more productive than setting borderline anti-immigrant policies that benefit citizens only because they're there before.

n.b. before i get accused of being a closet racist; i have a polish girlfriend and was out for a beer with a load of polish friends last night.

I'm not very keen on calling people racists, and I don't believe you're one anyway. But you are aware that that particular argument is the oldest apologetic trick in the book for every closet racist out there, right?

Not that you're a racist for adopting that argument, mind you. I'm just sayin' the tactic itself is altogether tainted -- whether the assertion is truthful or not.