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    Awesome. I've been dreaming of a redone, historical VI for a long time now, glad someone's gotten round to it. Can't wait for a release, nice one.

    Watch out with the faction banners though, the modern heraldry associated with much of Britain, especially the Celtic lands, dates from a later period. Arthurian Total War did a lot of research into that, could be useful to check it out.

    Anyway, good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antagonist
    Watch out with the faction banners though, the modern heraldry associated with much of Britain, especially the Celtic lands, dates from a later period. Arthurian Total War did a lot of research into that, could be useful to check it out.
    Thanks for the heads up. Arthurian for RTW or MTW though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rythmic
    Thanks for the heads up. Arthurian for RTW or MTW though?
    Hmm..the only Arthurian Total War I know of is for RTW. Is there perhaps an MTW version?
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    There is one for MTW, but I'll assume he means RTW. As that mod is more comprehensive.
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    I can't wait for this to be finished. It's so great

    Keep up the good work, Rythmic!

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    Sorry, I was referreing to RTW. The MTW version (which is not associated with the RTW version) slipped my mind for a moment.

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    I'm having trouble deciding on units for the Vikings...

    Cavalry:

    Raider Cavalry, same as in VI

    Infantry:

    Peasants, same as in VI

    Drengar (Drängar), warriors armed with spears (or possibly bows)

    Bondir, warriors armed with spears (or possibly axes)

    Landsmenn's Levy, 40 average warriors armed with axes

    Butsecarles, copy of Saxon Huscarls armed with axes (must be triggered to appear in late 900s)

    Lithsmenn, professional warriors armed with swords

    Beserkers, same as in VI

    Heerthmenn, elite and armoured kings guard armed with swords
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    Sorry, I can't help you there on the units...But, keep up the good work!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rythmic
    I'm having trouble deciding on units for the Vikings...

    Cavalry:

    Raider Cavalry, same as in VI

    Infantry:

    Peasants, same as in VI

    Drengar (Drängar), warriors armed with spears (or possibly bows)

    Bondir, warriors armed with spears (or possibly axes)

    Landsmenn's Levy, 40 average warriors armed with axes

    Butsecarles, copy of Saxon Huscarls armed with axes (must be triggered to appear in late 900s)

    Lithsmenn, professional warriors armed with swords

    Beserkers, same as in VI

    Heerthmenn, elite and armoured kings guard armed with swords
    Drängar were actually high-class warriors, and had been appointed to their position by their king. I'd say a high-class axe infantry would fit them better.

    Bondir is a name unfamiliar to me, but my guess is that originates from bönder (or vice versa), which is simply peasants in Swedish. I could of course be wrong though.

    Lithsmenn is again unfamiliar to me, but I've never been an expert at Danish or Norwegian, so my guess is that it originates from there.

    Overall, it would be hell to fix all the viking units, as there really were no viking units. One unit that should be added is some form of javelin-throwing spear infantry. Like Bonnachts.
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    Lithsmenn is a Danish term, on a Danish ships crew they would be the professional fighter, owning chainmail.

    Bondi or Bondir, appeared to have owned very small plots of land. So possibly an option for them would be to use bows or javelins.
    Above the freedman were the bondi and karls, the truly free land holding farmers. This class was a very broad one ranging from impoverished peasants to men of wealth and local authority. Whilst they could be sailors, hunters, traders or raiders they were still fundamentally farmers, even if absence and large holdings meant they required the labour of other men - both free and thrall.
    Landsmenn's Levy I might combine with Drengar to become simply Drengar.
    landsmenn [...] the later qualification for this rank was the ability to field and maintain forty armed men in the levy
    I was under the impression that Drengar where the younger warriors and Tegnar the older warriors.

    I'm debating whether to give Heerthmen axes or swords.
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    Complete overhaul of Welsh units, they possibly have the most comprehensive list at the moment.
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    Rythmic, great work so far. I tried playing a VI campaign twice, and I never finished it, because I found it a bit boring. Your mod however appears to be one that I would actually like to play, mainly because of your efforts to do it as historically accurate as possible. I will be following this thread with a great interest.

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    I second Kavhan Isbul; it looks really good so far.

    By the way, have you decided on a name for your mod yet? (Could be helpful for certain nominations....hint hint! )
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    Thanks for the kind words guys.

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    By the way, have you decided on a name for your mod yet? (Could be helpful for certain nominations....hint hint! )
    No, not yet. Maybe I should get a poll going or some such.
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    Personally I like Britannia Divided has a good ring to it. Also I think I have fixed the haphazard VI Tech Tree. I hope you wont miss the Mead Hall ~> Drinking Hall ~> Royal Palace ~> Royal Court set up.
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    An example of new Icons, I'm going to do the same with the Armourer and the Metalsmith.

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    Looking superb!

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    I hate the steel shield, so have a Viking shield. (Who uses entirely steel shields anywho?!).

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    Thumbs up Re: Britannia Divided: Total War

    This is looking really good. Starts to look like a whole new game. For my money, the simplicity and speed of the old, "Risk-style" map (ideally enlarged with some new provinces) coupled with a historically accurate set-up and some depth in the unit and building choices, still makes for unbeatable game play using the old engine. So it's great that people are still modding MTW (and now VI as well).

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    Thanks. And your right the old engine is unbeatable, and great if a young punk like me can modify it.

    New map, which I have dubbed v0.horrible, is working like the Bush administration. Like a load of .

    So I will be making v0.2. I have 512 pixels to expand East or West. Basically I can add Iceland (very cool) or add more of Norway, Denmark and Northern Germany. East makes more sense; as all of Denmark will be visible, Norway will be bigger, Germany will be visible and Sweden also part of the map.
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    Great job Rythmic! In the days that i've been away from the Org(due to an issue with connectivity), you've made great progress! Keep up the good work!
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    Wow, Rythmic, what can I say? This is a labour of love - and beauty. Excellent job!




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    Hey, Rythmic, this is looking really good! Especially since you changed the thread title, so I started reading it

    Looking forward to your first release - and if you need any beta play-testing.....
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    So..how's it going?
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    Good, I just haven't had a reason to post a significant update.
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    Congrats on the work you've done so far, and good luck with the map and images. I've done almost all my MTW modding on the VI campaign, but my limited skill has restricted me to doing fairly simple things like making new units and factions; I haven't tried new maps or images. It would be great for this mod to see completion.. then my only problem would be finding someone with high-speed to download it for me . Keep it up!

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    great idea for mod i don't belive any ones done that before

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroic hungarian
    great idea for mod i don't belive any ones done that before
    There has been several prior attempts to make a mod specifically for the VI campaign, but they're either more of a "total conversion" mod (such as Aurthurian TW) and/or they never came to fruition. While there might be others of which I'm unaware, Brittania Divided is so far the only VI mod I've seen that both expands on the existing game and looks to be completed within our lifetime.
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    So..how's it going now?

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    This is truly a great looking mod. I can't wait to have a go at it. I did suggest a VI mod the past back at .com. Quite predictably no one was interested over there. That was during my early days though.

    The VI campaign gets a lot of flak, and it isn't actually that bad at all. With the improvements you're making it's going to be something vastly better.

    I really like the work you've done on the review panel bifs, removing the buildings from the 1087 -1453 campaigns and replacing them with the more dark age or "longhouse" style structures. This goes a long way to improving the overall feel of the campaign. The Axesmith(?) is a nice touch also. I presume that the fisherman(?) depends on the port? And also on a fish resource in the province?

    It's coming along very well indeed.

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    Units are balancing well. I'll have a Beta out it a couple weeks (it wont include the new map files, way too big).
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