total war 4

[Brogie]

just wonder what you guys think the enxt total war should be?

i think napoleonic war would be good, with muskets, chosen men, dragoons, lancers.. and proper ship battles maybe

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think maybe the inclusion of guns and the new world shows CA's intention of bringing their TW series into the gunpowder period. I would guess the next TW game will be Napoleon: Total War. That would then probably be followed by R2TW. Although I think that a TW game set in the far east, perhaps the Three Kingdoms era, could also make an appearance.

[sapi]

I suspect that the next TW game (it's TW5 iirc) - if it is to be historical - will be set in the Napoelonic era.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the next one may in fact be fantasy, though.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the next one may in fact be fantasy, though.

They wouldn't do that to us would they?

[sapi]

Hard to say.

It must be tempting to go for some original IP, though - and personally, I could see a fantasy TW working very well, provided it was done in moderation (ie no space travelling dwarves with flaming longswords)

[Brogie]

I suspect that the next TW game (it's TW5 iirc) - if it is to be historical - will be set in the Napoelonic era.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the next one may in fact be fantasy, though.

it would be the 4th eara ,,,wich is what i was meanin...jap,, rome,, medieval,,the 3 so far

i hope its not fantasy.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Is the fantasy idea something to do with the Star Forts? I'm not sure exactly what they are, but I heard them mentioned appearing in M2TW somehow.

[John_Longarrow]

Is the fantasy idea something to do with the Star Forts? I'm not sure exactly what they are, but I heard them mentioned appearing in M2TW somehow.

Star forts refer to a five sided structure made mainly of earth that is very resistant to cannon fire. They are designed around the concept of interlacing fields of fire and were the pinnacle of military engineering on the continent for a period of a couple hundred years.

Here is a link to the wiki entry on it. This also has a good picture of one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_fort


For myself, I'd love to see an alternate setting for the next TW product. Similar play to the current MTW2 but with a very different unit roster/history/campaign map. I'm not too interested in the "People in funny costumes" style orcs in some games, but it would be interesting to have a catapult shot come from your "Wizard".

[Kobal2fr]

I suspect that the next TW game (it's TW5 iirc) - if it is to be historical - will be set in the Napoelonic era.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the next one may in fact be fantasy, though.

Hmmm, I wonder when I've heard that "next one's gonna be napoleonic warfare" line...
Ah, right : right after the release of every TW game since MTW

Me, I don't care, I've still got Fields of Glory tucked away somewhere But I'd say you're right and the next one is going to be fantasy - they wouldn't have included such a weird question in the polls without good reason. Then again, "fantasy" covers such vast universes... Wouldn't bet on Warhammer, since GW already has deals with other gaming companies. And Blizzard does its own thang, so no Warcraft : Total War either. Maybe Romance of Three Kingdoms ? Wasn't there some mythology thrown into that one ?

What I'd really, really love would be Belgariad : Total War . Taste fiery death, Angaraks !

OK, so that's probably not going to happen. One can dream.

[Brogie]

wonder if ww1 eara could be done with tanks, airships and planes...it would have to be like HOI2 where planes cant be on the map, only attack a certain range from a city or an airfield...build rader stations and aa on the map like forts and watch towers, and coastal defences

[Kobal2fr]

Hahaha, yeah, trenchwar : total war would be very exciting - tons of units with infinite "arrows" sniping at each other across the map. One dead every 4 hours (game time). Then someone charges and gets cut down in 2 seconds flat by massive arty and machine gun fire

[Rhyfelwyr]

What fantasy related question did CA ask in the polls? Also anyone know about the Star Forts?

I woulnd't mind a Three Kingdoms: Total War with some fantasy thrown in. In fact, that could be really interesting to play while still keeping the element of realism.

An official LOTR:TW would also be really nice. I'm surprised it hasn't been done yet really.

However, the Star Forts sound really futuristic. I hope we don't have lightsabers and laser guns total war.

[Lorenzo_H]

I suspect that the next TW game (it's TW5 iirc) - if it is to be historical - will be set in the Napoelonic era.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the next one may in fact be fantasy, though.

bummer.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I enjoy the historical aspect of the TW games - Napoleonic would probably make the most sense sequentially, but maybe a World War TW would be cool too. Also, I was thinking about a fantasy TW... that'd be cool

[Gimli]

I must admit that I am hoping for a Napolean Age type of game from the TW series. I'm not sure how much farther they could carry it past that time period though because of the massive changes in fighting tactics... They could do an American Civil War as well, but it would be kinda small and lame in my opinion. Honestly, I am hoping they DON'T do a fantasy one... We all saw where Age of Mythology went... (appologies to any AOM fans out there! ) However, being Gimli, I would LOVE to lead a horde of TW Dwarves into a fierce melee with swarms of sniveling orcs!

[Crian]

I, for one, am hoping that they would, in one way or another, revisit feudal Japan.

They could make an oriental themed Total War game and have the Sengoku Jidai period as a smaller campaign like what they're doing with Kingdoms.

[Cuchulin]

I would love to see a TW based on Old Testament Israel during the time of David up to the Persian and Greek Conquests.

[Sheogorath]

Just a quick FYI, since I see a lot of this being thrown around...

Most Napoleonic combat WAS melee based, typically only one or two volleys of musket fire would be followed up by a charge at the enemy, simply because muskets were so innacurate at any kind of range that a prolonged musket duel was a waste of ammunition.
I believe that the Napoleonic: Total War mod forums stated somewhere that during the Battle of Borodino something like one hundred shots were fired for every casualty inflicted via musket fire.
The goal of musket fire was to cause the enemy to break and flee, not to wipe them out. That was what cavalry, the bayonette and artillery were for.

Of course, CA'll probobly change that, but the NTW mod was quite fun, even with its emphasis on ranged combat. I think CA could do quite well for themselves if they did it right, which would no doubt mean not sticking to history too closely, of course.

[Fate]

Just a quick FYI, since I see a lot of this being thrown around...

Most Napoleonic combat WAS melee based, typically only one or two volleys of musket fire would be followed up by a charge at the enemy, simply because muskets were so innacurate at any kind of range that a prolonged musket duel was a waste of ammunition.
I believe that the Napoleonic: Total War mod forums stated somewhere that during the Battle of Borodino something like one hundred shots were fired for every casualty inflicted via musket fire.
The goal of musket fire was to cause the enemy to break and flee, not to wipe them out. That was what cavalry, the bayonette and artillery were for.

Of course, CA'll probobly change that, but the NTW mod was quite fun, even with its emphasis on ranged combat. I think CA could do quite well for themselves if they did it right, which would no doubt mean not sticking to history too closely, of course.

Agreed Sheogorath, and a fine point it is. However, in many cases, troops of the period (british particuarly) were trained brutally in the use of musketry. Which makes sense, with it being the prime weapon of the time, that and the bayonet.
However, CA would almost certainly emphasise the use of musketry if they went on to create NTW. It wouldnt be like RTW where there would be large amounts of troops that all use the same weapon (the sword being the prime example). There simply wouldnt be enough variety.
Some troops in particular were used for the charge whilst others would be used to fire volleys from the line; eg. Grenadiers for the charge, basic line redcoats for volley fire.

My point being, large amounts of the game would be based around the musket, least of all because it would be the new toy for the CA and TW players. Undoubtedly, they would try and press this.

[Sheogorath]

Agreed Sheogorath, and a fine point it is. However, in many cases, troops of the period (british particuarly) were trained brutally in the use of musketry. Which makes sense, with it being the prime weapon of the time, that and the bayonet.
However, CA would almost certainly emphasise the use of musketry if they went on to create NTW. It wouldnt be like RTW where there would be large amounts of troops that all use the same weapon (the sword being the prime example). There simply wouldnt be enough variety.
Some troops in particular were used for the charge whilst others would be used to fire volleys from the line; eg. Grenadiers for the charge, basic line redcoats for volley fire.

My point being, large amounts of the game would be based around the musket, least of all because it would be the new toy for the CA and TW players. Undoubtedly, they would try and press this.

True grenadiers would be BETTER at charging, simply because they were selected from the largest and strongest men amoungst various line regiments. But, in my opinion at least, musketry depended far more upon the nation from which the troops came.
The Russians for instance, lived (and died) by Suvurov's "Bullet is an idiot, bayonete is a fine chap" doctrine, so much so that only a very few Russian commanders even bothered training their troops to AIM their muskets.
The British, as mentioned, placed more emphasis on accuracy, considering that their army was the smallest of the Great Powers in any case (its hard to maintain a large army AND over 200 ships of the line.)
Of course, the British lacked the famous Russian obstinance when it came to standing under fire. And, I believe, the only records of regular line infantry charging cavalry come from Russia :P

CA would also need to revise the resource system a bit, that or make unit sizes different between factions. Russia and France had FAR larger armies than any other nation, Russia's came to some 800,000 by the end of the Wars, with France at over a million. Third place was Austria with some 500,000 at most, followed by Prussia and the UK.

Basically CA would need to depart from their 'standerdized units' deal and make pretty much everything different, even though a six pound cannon was a six pound cannon, the French had better training than pretty much anybody (Napoleon was an artillery officer before he became Emperor), except perhaps the Russians >_>

[I Am Herenow]

Tallyho lads, rape the houses and burn the women! Leave not a single potted plant alive! Full speed ahead and damn the cheesemongers!

Is that a spoof of Henry V?

BTW, you're right, if NTW was released, you certainly wouldn't get 1% accuracy with muskets!

[The Spartan (Returns)]

A really good Total War would be just called Earth: Total War

You pick a continent, select a time period, (optional) choose a specific war, choose a faction, and you're off!!!

[Shieldmaiden]

A really good Total War would be just called Earth: Total War

You pick a continent, select a time period, (optional) choose a specific war, choose a faction, and you're off!!!

Most realistic demand EVAR!

I'd be happy with a Shogun 2, or at least Asia Total War

Or if CA went fantasy - It would be interesting to see a semi-historical and mythological spin on it, rather than "traditional fantasy". Think Age of Mythology not Warcraft.

[rvg]

At this point the series has enough recognition that CA can develop Tasmania: Total War and people will still buy it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I would love to see a TW based on Old Testament Israel during the time of David up to the Persian and Greek Conquests.

Hey, I've never heard this idea before. I think it's brilliant!

I wouldn't mind TW 5 going back in time. Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians; chariots, stone slingers...it could really work.

[KukriKhan]

Neanderthal:TotalWar

When the idea of organised warfare began.

[pockettank]

Neanderthal:TotalWar

When the idea of organised warfare began.

agreed

[Gimli]

Neanderthal:TotalWar

When the idea of organised warfare began.

Now THAT would be FUN!!!!

[Galapagos]

Omg..Neanderthal:total war What troops would you like to have? It would be better a WW1 or WW2 total war

[Gimli]

You could have uh, clubmen... and er.... rock throwing men.... (?) and ummmm.......................... yeah, it would be great! Actually, I think you could do pretty well with it if you moved it along so that it covered neanderthal up to like copper age type stuff!