Very cool, Rythmic! Looking forward to trying these guys out.![]()
One thing I noticed, however, was that the descriptions for Sleaceitherne and Ceitherne are identical. Is one of those units basically a more advanced version of the other?
Very cool, Rythmic! Looking forward to trying these guys out.![]()
One thing I noticed, however, was that the descriptions for Sleaceitherne and Ceitherne are identical. Is one of those units basically a more advanced version of the other?
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
Almost identical, Ceitherne have clubs and are better at attack with a smaller unit size and Sleaceitherne have spears and are better at defense with a larger unit size.Originally Posted by Martok
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Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
Welsh Units: - Working
Teulu
"Family" or the professional Noble bodyguards of Welsh Kings and Chieftains. These warriors rode into battle, despite the rough terrain of Wales, armed and armoured with chain mail, iron helmets, large shields, stabbing spears and swords. This and their experience and training made them near unstoppable.
Marca Gwynedd
The raider cavalry of Gwyenedd is noticeably better suited for the mountainous terrain of Wales. This is probably due to their use of smaller mountain ponies. However, it is not only that but also their use of Irish style axes allows much more mobility than large cumbersome spears.
Marca
Marca make up "fighting line" cavalry of Wales, fighting with their own equipment and horses. They would have to be relatively wealthy to afford a horse, spear, javelins, shield, iron helmet and scale or chain armour.
Marchogluoedd
These are fast and agile scouts. Riding fast horses and equipped with little in terms of armour. They were expected to skirmish and harass the enemy’s flanks, by peppering them with spears and using their speed to manoeuvre behind enemy lines.
Campwyr
Campwyr are champions, battle hardened veterans consisting of both Nobles and the professional soldiery. Their wealth and fame was accumulated through great deeds on the field of battle. As such they can afford large swords and good armour, and this along with their experience makes them fierce opponents.
Arwrweision
Arwrweision or "brave men" have fought in numerous battles. They fight as medium infantry, armed with swords and bows, and are lightly armoured. Yet, it is their morale that makes them deadly.
Rherel
The spear remained in use even among the wealthy, and it was often even used by the retainers of Nobles. Along with their spears they had chain mail, a shield and an iron helmet, all paid for by their Lord.
Saethwrabhyr
Gwent is an incredibly craggy landscape, a land of ambush and archery. Here men, similar to the Rhyfelwyr of other Kingdoms, would be more lightly equipped and given a larger and more powerful bow; a bow that would one day evolve into the longbow.
Bêrfelawyr Merionydd
The spear was a favoured weapon among the Welsh, with the men from Meirionnydd being exceptionally proficient in its use. They carried a longspear and a small shield, which they used to superb effect against their rivals.
Bêrfelawyr
Brythons often preferred the spear over other weapons, and this is true of the semi-professional Bêrfelawyr. Armed with a longspear, little armour and a small shield they could effectively act as pikemen. Providing a wall of bristling spear points to deter both enemy cavalry and infantry.
Rhyfelwyrmawr
These are "great warriors" found in Strathclyde and North-Western Wales. These experienced men were armed with good swords, javelins and armour, and would have to take many casualties before turning tail and running.
Rhyfelwyr
The constant wars between individual Welsh Kingdoms perfected many aspects of Welsh warfare. Thus Rhyfelwyr were spawned; medium infantry armed with bows, to enable them to both skirmish and engage enemies in mêlée.
Bonheddwyr
Free Nobles, the semi-elite of Welsh armies, who would fight as much with their spears, shields and javelins as they would with their taunts, jeers, trumpets and insults.
Gwaywffynabwyr
Gwaywffynabwyr keep alive the ancient warrior culture of the Celts. They fight bare-chested with a spear, a shield and pure Celtic fury.
Helwyr
The Welsh had a distinct passion for hunting, skills which could be used in battle. This meant a good huntsman could command some prestige and become relatively rich. Helwyr owned and equipped powerful bows which could kill even the largest of prey.
Milwyr
Milwyr literally means soldiers. These men are professional bands who provide service for their Lord. However, their equipment is mostly paid for by the soldiers themselves; as such they could only afford cudgels, shields and leather armour.
Cartreflu
For Celts all men who were of age were required to fight for their liege Lord, and for most this was seen as a privilege. Most men supplied their own equipment, and were well able to fight. However, these were no professional soldiers.
Fwnmilwyr
The sling is and old and cheap weapon, and was still used by the Celtic peoples of Britain. The simplicity and inexpensiveness of a sling and its ammunition meant it could even be deadly in the hands of the young or the old.
Saethwyr
Archery was an important aspect of everyday living for Brythonic peoples, with archery being the most common pastime. Even the simplest levied man is a strong threat when armed with a bow and in among the hills and mountains of Wales.
Gwladwrmintai
Gwladwrmintai literally means "farmer troupe", but that is a bit deceiving as these men come from all aspects of the bottom of the social ladder. They are equipped with whatever they could find, home made javelins, spears, knives and they wore no armour. They were only called to battle in the most dire of situations.
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BD:TW
Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
Gah! You're quite right, of course. My bad.![]()
"MTW is not a game, it's a way of life." -- drone
Pictish Units: - Working
Mormaers
These are the rulers of Pictish tribes, supported by their household retainers, sons, brothers and Noble hostages. Being of high birth or status meant they had access to the finest horses, chain mail and weaponry.
Marchan Tho
Pict horsemen, being quite wealthy, often favoured battle axes, as they could easily be swung into enemy formations, breaking up weak and lightly armoured enemies.
Marchan Elbharu
A Pict on horseback would have been a fearsome foe indeed, but armed with a crossbow they would be near impossible to catch; thus free to roam and reek havoc in enemy formations.
Marchan
The Picts were able horsemen, riding sturdy Highland Ponies. Noblemen and their retainers would often fight as light cavalry, skirmishing and harassing slow moving foes.
Gai Aurmahr
Unlike other Picts, champions and fine Noble warriors would have been able to afford rare armour. These men were masters of spear use, acting as sturdy and reliable fighters.
Thomordaoer
Picts were not known for wearing armour, and this is especially true of the most Northern tribes. Men would have often gone to battle with a large two-handed axe and a deep belief in their skills as warriors held in their hearts.
Ludodaoer
A sword was a symbol of the wealthy, and often afforded to rich freemen and the sons of Nobles. And although unarmoured, they would fight hard to prove themselves, using speed and skill over mail.
Chodaoer
Pict raiders would often go to battle with an axe, shield and javelins, relying on their speed and ferocity to out-manoeuvre and out-fight enemies. Their lack of armour however makes them susceptible to heavy casualties.
Caithdaoer
The Picts from the north have not forgotten all of the Pagan ways of old. They fight armed in the same manner as their southern brothers, but they posses a certain Pictish ferocity.
Schiltron
Although the word Schiltron was developed later, it is the only term that accurately depicts the Pict "pike" formations. Fighting with a long spear and buckler, these freemen could stand up to all but the most professional enemy troops.
Elbharu
Numerous old artworks depict Picts carrying primitive crossbows, probably imitations of Roman arcuballistas. These men of myth would have been used as skirmishers, using the mountainous landscape to make agile attacks on their foes from a distance.
Saiogdaoer
Picts rarely used archers in their armies, but when they did they were usually selected from the best hunters in their tribes. These men were agile and experts at ambushing.
Gairlom
Gairlom are little more than basic tribal levies, fighting with a buckler and spear. These Picts were fast and fierce warriors, but by no means main battle line troops.
Cingalom
Slings were incredibly cheap to make, and anyone pressed into battle without the means to buy a spear and shield could easily afford a sling. Slingers were light skirmishers, with little in terms of protection and morale.
Dim
Dim, or the youths of society, would join their fathers in battle as light skirmishers. They were poorly armed, with only a spear and several throwing javelins (unless their father's saw fit to provide them with a shield). Their lack of armour makes them fast, and manoeuvrable.
Last edited by naut; 08-12-2008 at 16:44.
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BD:TW
Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
70 units so far.
I have no idea what to do in regards to the sprites, I don't know if there are enough/correct looking ones. I may have to make some in my mid-semester holidays.
Last edited by naut; 03-31-2008 at 10:11.
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Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
How will you implement slings? I suppose you could modify the ninja star projectile to do this or can small rocks be thrown? i.e. small catapult ammo? You'd still have to draw the sprites though unless anyone else has done slinger sprites before for another mod and would give you the permission to use/modify them.Cingalom
Slings were incredibly cheap to make, and anyone pressed into battle without the means to buy a spear and shield could easily afford a sling. Slingers were light skirmishers, with little in terms of protection and morale.
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Last edited by caravel; 03-31-2008 at 21:07. Reason: typos and fixed quote
“The majestic equality of the laws prohibits the rich and the poor alike from sleeping under bridges, begging in the streets and stealing bread.” - Anatole France
"The law is like a spider’s web. The small are caught, and the great tear it up.” - Anacharsis
Will there be a stat list available?
Also, will this be playable on top of regular VI or will it replace the existing VI game?
Stat list, don't know if I'll do that. But a basic rule of thumb, skill, gear and costs decrease down the lists of cavalry and infantry. Most of the stats are similar between units of various capacities between the factions, other than the Pictish ones.
At the moment the Units and Building will complement the original VI campaign. If I can get my head round map making it'll replace the VI campaign.
I'm still unsure of a semi-accurate while still playable list for the Vikings and Dál Riatans. Dál Riata would still have been heavily influenced by Gaelic warfare, and also have had Pictish, Celtic, Brythonic and Strathclydian influence as well.
For the Vikings it is the fact that there were no distinct "units" that makes it hard to regiment them
Dál Riatans Units: - Working
Guirranmor
These are the Dál Riatan equivalent of Knights and are well trained and equipped. The Dál Riatans did not often use heavy cavalry, but they provide an excellent and powerful reserve. Their patron Lord would provide them with the best arms and armour in the land.
Guirran
These men stick to the normal Gaelic way of war, acting as mobile skirmishers harassing enemies with their javelins. They are decently trained and can flank or run down routing enemies.
Ceirrana
These men are not trained cavalry in anyway. They are simply the cavalry of local militias armed with only a club and used for scouting and messenger duties. At best they can flank enemies to provide some use, but cannot be expected to stay in the fight long.
Deaisbard
Deaisbard are the private bodyguard of chieftains, with excellent equipment and training. On top of this they were well-educated to act as aides in peacetime and expected to assist in ceremonies.
Arras
Arras are nobles, but may also be wealthy independent landowners, merchants or traders. They have the money to supply themselves and their followers with good arms and armour. They fought in tight formations, with a longish sword, targe, javelins, mail armour and an iron helmet.
Aumabellu
The men of Alba, who would become the Scots, were famed for their longspears. They took influence from the Schiltrons of their northern neighbours, and applied them to their own professional warriors, combining tight formations, long spears and good armour. They were often the bane of any opposition forced to meet them head on in the foothills of their homeland.
Audheran-Laecha
The Gaels of old would often fight naked, but, this is no longer the case since their conversion to Christianity. However, warrior guilds such as the Audheran-Laecha would continue the old traditions by fighting in nothing but cloaks to allow better mobility and agility in battle.
Clansmen Warband
The Gaelic axe, tua, is a very old weapon with a particularly heavy head designed to smash helmets and shields. Men armed with a axe also carried a targe and a few javelins to throw before charging.
Clansmen Warband
Most Dál Riatan soldiers were armed with a slea (spear), a targe and a few throwing spears, and men armed in this manner often formed the backbone of the army. These men are semi-professional soldiers or mercenaries who either bought their equipment or had it supplied by a Lord, and in return they provided service. These men are apt and can hold the line against all but the best of opponents.
Ranasiarda
Unlike other Irish Kingdoms the Dál Riatans came to value the bow as a weapon of war, as the Picts, Celts and Britons would often use it in battle against them. In response, Dál Riata needed semi-professional soldiery to meet and match the agile bowmen of their rivals, however, these are no infantry and should be kept out of harms way.
Sleaceitherne
In early Dál Riatan Feudal society Ciorns (later kerns) tended to be near the bottom of society. And without much money or fighting ability they would not have had very good equipment and most of the time they were just men called up to serve in a levy. Armed with what little they could afford, usually a spear and a few small javelins or darts.
Ceitherne
In early Dál Riatan Feudal society Ciorns (later kerns) tended to be near the bottom of society. And without much money or fighting ability they would not have had very good equipment and most of the time they were just men called up to serve in a levy. Armed with what little they could afford, usually a club and a few small javelins or darts.
NOTE: For gameplay purposes I have left in Highland Clansmen.
Last edited by naut; 08-12-2008 at 15:13.
#Hillary4prism
BD:TW
Some piously affirm: "The truth is such and such. I know! I see!"
And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
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