Depiction of imperial reforms

[Pharnakes]

I'm not the eb team, but I think this is the one possibilty that is definatley not going to happen. Afterall, if one must have the reforms, ehich I personaly don't think one should, then at least make them historicaly acurate.

[QwertyMIDX]

Not speaking for the EB team or anything, but I'm pretty sure we won't ever sacrifice to historical accuracy of the reforms for the sake of gameplay. More likely to just remove them completely.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

The reforms have already been made available early. For those of us who played v0.7x, the reforms were just something you had to wait for (107BC until the Marians).

The date requirements are there to represent things that are not as tangible. Things like technology advancement, understandings of current equiptment, enemies adapting to current equiptment, social changes, generations dying and being replaced, change in leadership, change in stability, etc.

[sgsandor]

Please please keep the imperial reforms....I love them so much!

[mAIOR]

But keeping the imperial reforms as they are seem to invalidate the statement of Lorica segmentata not being in the time frame... I mean it appeared more or less in time of the emperors (not widespread use of course) but still I find this argument incoherent with not implementing LS and then making the imperial happening so early. I do not agree they should be on the exact historical date. I much prefer the dynamic system.
But this is just something I'd like someone to explain...



Cheers...

[Imperator]

A few simple reasons why NOT to lose our precious legions:

1) Abundance of information about them means they are some of the only late-game units NOT based on speculation

2) Popularity of Romani and, specifically those nifty legionaries, mean that losing them could hurt EB's "sellability" to new fans. People just like Legionaries more than some random tribe unit only recruitable in some desolate Afghan or Bakrian province. Those legionary skins are just too cool to give up lightly.

3) The fact that few people make it past 125 BC is not a valid arguement. If EB only made units that people were likely to see, by 50 BC there would be such little unit diversity it would make vanilla look like an explosion of color and novelty. Besides, what if EB did other stuff like that? Most people play the Romani, and very few play far-off ones like Saba, Saka, etc, so should we just let them go in favor of more Roman-centric ones?*

4) There are already sooooooo many units in EB, would losing our legionaries, whose value are clear from points 1, 2, and 3, really be worth adding yet another barbarian tribe MIC, or yet another phalanx unit, or yet another random spear-unit or horse archer from the east?

5) The Romans deserve a little something for their hard work conquering the entire Mediteranean, don't they? Why include some irrelevant tribe-unit whose impact on history stretched a grand total of 5 square kilometers when you could include the legionaries who fought and dominated the known world?

I rest my case.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

But keeping the imperial reforms as they are seem to invalidate the statement of Lorica segmentata not being in the time frame... I mean it appeared more or less in time of the emperors (not widespread use of course) but still I find this argument incoherent with not implementing LS and then making the imperial happening so early. I do not agree they should be on the exact historical date. I much prefer the dynamic system.
But this is just something I'd like someone to explain...



Cheers...

Lorica Segmentata comes in just 23 years before our end date and doesn't become anywhere near widespread until around 25AD. By contrast the Imperial Reforms happened around 30 BC when Augustus emerged as the sole Roman ruler. Added to which, we consider the reforms to be a logical step in Rome's developement as a power which had a demonstratable effect on her society.

By contrast Lorica Segementata had no demonstatable effect on the performance of the Legions.

[blacksnail]

The consistent justification for adding LS is "but it looks kewl" rather than any actual historical basis. That, I'm sure, reinforces its complete absence from the mod.