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    I'm going to have to agree with the Norwegian Socialist on this one ( ).

    If you want a look at where this will be in 50 years if it goes along, check out the US. The power of a USA state will be equal to the power of a nation in the EU, methinks. And a lot of people don't think states in the USA don't have enough power as it is, and where all in the same country.

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    Question Re: The 'Amending' treaty.

    Whose final signature goes on the treaty?

    Does the Queen need to ratify it? And if she turns around and goes 'One believes that the people were promised a referendum'... what happens next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
    I'm going to have to agree with the Norwegian Socialist on this one ( ).
    As odd as it may seem....

    I have nothing against the principle of unity,etc of the eu. That's all fine with me. It's now very easy for me to move to, say Italy. Before the EU, that would've been a lot harder(I would've be a "standard" immigrant). The idea of working with the poorer nations in europe and helping them financially is also something I like.

    However, what I DON'T like, is the complete and utter centralization of government/power. It seems like the EU is becoming, or has already become, an intrusive body that does not care for anything but standardization. "You've used those glasses for centuries, you say? Well, now you get to pour beer into these glasses instead!" Everything has to be the same, local variations are not to be tolerated.

    To me it looks like a freemarket version of soviet russia.
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    It's not a freemarket if the government is deciding the standards (beyond health and safety minimums) for what consumers consume... in essence the government is choosing the products.. that is not freemarket at all.
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    Default Re: The 'Amending' treaty.

    Horetore is on to something there. Very well articulated. Here's an example:

    It is proposing to allow the UK to continue using pounds, miles and pints as units of measurement indefinitely.

    The European Commission will announce later it is leaving all future decisions to the British government.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988521.stm

    You see! They are going to allow us to use pints, gallons, miles etc. That's jolly decent of them.

    As a plus they are also going to allow the UK government to decide.

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    I'm with HoreTore on this. The EU has some benefits etcetera

    Europe is full of many cultures, and all the EU is essentially doing is making a weird amalgam of these cultures. But not only that it is destroying the diversity that is Europe.

    Also being born in London, I still consider myself English and thus am understandably biased towards the metaphorical widening of the Channel.
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    Default Re: The 'Amending' treaty.

    The items that HoreTore likes can be covered by a series of treaties. Only the behomoth that is the EU requires this further integration.

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