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[TB666]

God help anyone fighting the Aztecs who is allergic to bees...

Ehhmm those are Mayan units.
Are Aztecs even in the American campaign ??
I thought they were destroyed.

[pike master]

kingdoms will be fun!

i just hope they will find some place to incorporate an armored battlewagon.

[Philbert]

Indeed the conquest of the americas didn't include that many battles anyway. The enormous success of the conquest was mainly based on the European diseases that the American population were not resistant to, causing them to be decimated in a few years.
Unless you count Pizarro's conquest of Cajamarca, when 37 horse bested 80,000 (I kid you not, eighty thousand!) foot. (described in Jared Diamond's classic book Guns, Germs and Steel http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/show/episode2.html).
Now that would be a weird and somewhat disappointing Total War battle, and everyone would scream at the AI...

[Gorm]

Indeed the conquest of the americas didn't include that many battles anyway. The enormous success of the conquest was mainly based on the European diseases that the American population were not resistant to, causing them to be decimated in a few years.

Indeed, many scholars today have re-estimated the population of the new world upwards from 18 million at 1492 to 80 million. To put that in perspective, that was the total combined population of Europe and Russia at the time. The ancient city of Cahokia in Illinois was estimated to be larger than London!

What we had was an unintentional biological warfare where diseases spread from village to village like wildfire. This led to the assumption by later European settlers that the land was wide open for the taking, since very few lived there.

[Ulstan]

Indeed the conquest of the americas didn't include that many battles anyway. The enormous success of the conquest was mainly based on the European diseases that the American population were not resistant to, causing them to be decimated in a few years.

Precisely. And what few 'battles' there were were almost allways lopsided affairs with handfuls of spanish conquistadors running roughshod over loads of lightly armed and armored Indian troops.

The technology and brutality disparity were almost impossible to overcome.

Sure sure, individual native tribes had undoubtedly brutal aspects of their society (human sacrifice anyone?) but their warfare was just not on the same level as the Europeans...it wasn't anything even approaching the coldly methodical European approach to 'total war'.

[Privateerkev]

What we had was an unintentional biological warfare where diseases spread from village to village like wildfire. This led to the assumption by later European settlers that the land was wide open for the taking, since very few lived there.

Actually there is evidence that some of the biological warfare was intentional. One trick the colonists in Pre-Revolution and Revolutionary America would use would be to take blankets from the small-pox hospitals in their forts and give them to the Native Americans as gifts...

Precisely. And what few 'battles' there were were almost allways lopsided affairs with handfuls of spanish conquistadors running roughshod over loads of lightly armed and armored Indian troops.

Historians have pretty much debunked the whole "small number of brave conquistadors conquered the massive hordes of natives" myth. Asides from the massive infrastructure collapse due to disease, the other big factor was infighting among the indigineous peoples themselves. Cortez would not have taken out the Aztecs without the massive amounts of support that the Tlaxcalans gave him. Read "Ambivalent Conquests" from Inga Clenndinnan to read some great accounts of the Mayans wiping out Spanish expeditions on the Yucatan.

And to keep the post kind of on-topic, the whole reason most people buy expansion packs is for more units. And if you want complete realism, then no computer game comes close except for wargames used by the US government and even they are not perfect. I say bring on the bee-chuckers, Flamin' Byz's, and Wookie-esque native shock troops!

[Callahan9119]

i tend to agree with you, it CA's job to keep the masses happy, its the modders job to satisfy the realism the minority demands

[Kobal2fr]

And if you want complete realism, then no computer game comes close except for wargames used by the US government and even they are not perfect.

Two words : Combat Mission .

So what if there are better graphics in my toilet bowl every morning. The game rocks, and to get more historical accuracy you'd have to get shot in the face by a Wehrmacht soldier .

[Privateerkev]

Two words : Combat Mission .

So what if there are better graphics in my toilet bowl every morning. The game rocks, and to get more historical accuracy you'd have to get shot in the face by a Wehrmacht soldier .

while the WEGO system is more realistic than RTS or turnbased, it can hardly be called "real". In combat, you do not need to wait a minute until you can tell your squad to lay down some covering fire on that window.

[Rebellious Waffle]

Out of curiousity, has anyone else run a google search of mayans+hornets+nest - "maya the bee"? There's quite a few references to Mayan hornet throwers independent of CA...