Federalism: does it suck ?

[doc_bean]

So with our recent election past and talk about the EU constitution going around again, I was wondering: Is federalism really all that great ?

I don't think so.

Take, for instance , the boring example of Belgium (I'll keep it brief) which consist of a small amount of 'states' (3). There are three issues I'd like to consider

1) because one state is obviously the biggest it controls most of the political power and people in that state feel entitled to getting their way despite what the other parties think, because there's simply more of us and that's 'democratic' and 'fair'. Meanwhile people in the other parts take what they can which leads to...

2) Since every politician needs to be elected in his 'state' and so tries to be popular in his state, often doing things not in the benefit of the nation, but in the benefit of his or her electorate.

3) Another issue related to the first is that one 'state' is not happy with the way the federal government runs things (or the other states run things). It thinks it might be better of on its own and considers leaving the 'federation'.

Now, while these problems affect boring Belgium, they are similar to problems you often hear about in the US. Certainly the second point, which is well know as 'pork' seems to be a big problem in American politics. I believe the first and the third problem are related, essentially it's nearly impossible to have a balance between 'state' rights and federal 'rights', it's like a pendulum swinging back and forth from more state rights to less state rights to more etc.

Frankly, is federalism really worth it ? The constant power struggle between state and federal government for power, which mostly just revolves around some politician's ambitions anyway. And the pork isn't helping us as a whole, quite the opposite.

Let's look at a more recent federal country: Iraq.
Now, it's a country with a lot of problems which can hardly be blamed on federalism, but one often neglected problem is 'Kurdistan', a part of the country with relative autonomy which seems intent on declaring independence someday in the future, clearly problem 3 arises here again.

So what are my conclusions at the moment ?

1) Federalism is inherently unstable, though this doesn't mean ti can't work in the long term, it means that the balance of power will constantly shift
2) Federalism doesn't work for countries with a small amount of states. The threshold for stepping out is imo much smaller if a 'state' has half or over half of the resources of the country. It also makes it easier for the rich part to say they'll leave the poor part since they'll only get richer (I believe Kurdistan has many oil reserves, in Belgium it's also the rich part seeking independence.) the poor part has little to offer them.

So I'm not saying the US should just split up or form a confederation, I know too little of the situation to say that at the moment. I will predict a future move towards more state rights though (can there be much less ?).

I am however, seriously questioning the move of europe towards a federation. IMHO it can be a huge mistake. Things have to be carefully looked at, not decided by some hothead politicians who just want to end up in the history books as the Old Worlds james Madison or whoever.

EDIT: errr....if the final word in the title is 'a bad word' could some mod please change it ?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Federalism: does it suck ?

That depends on the country. Unlike the Belgians, we wouldn't swallow it.

[InsaneApache]

That depends on the country. Unlike the Belgians, we wouldn't swallow it.

Spit it out and say what you mean.....

[Bijo]

Federalism: does it suck ?

No: it has no ability to, unless you refer to those being or representing the federation -- they certainly can and will / do.


To seriously address your words: the reasoning I observe seems correct and I can therefore find no error at the moment.

[Marshal Murat]

Didn't Socrates write on this?

[Ice]

Well Doc, I tend to agree to an extent.

Some federal government is necessary though. For example for our armed forces, diplomacy, taxes, etc. to name a few.

Things like abortion and gay marriage though are best left to states.

The United States tried a confederate system first actually before we became a Federal Republic (The Articles of Confederation).

In short, our country is to big to be a confederation. It simply wouldn't work with 50 states running around printing their own money.