Numidians !!!

[Juba2]

Hi and welcome Juba2,
I believe that the Numidians, although they did exist around this time-frame, were not powerful or united enough, I believe that they were a mix of disunited tribes till they were later united, to be included as a proper faction - R:TW has a strict limit of twenty factions, adding the Numidians would result in the sacrifice of another faction. However, fortunately, they are still there as a rebel faction and can still be battled against in a game of EB - they just cannot, unfortunately, be played as. Sorry.

First of all i want to thank you for posting a reply and if I'm not wrong the Numidians had their own Kingdom so that means they had kings and notable ones and they were forming the backbone of the Carthaginian army with their reliable great light cavalry

but there is one things the Numidian kingdom was formed and lasted (202 BC - 25 BC) even tough Numidians existed since prehistoric ages and played a big role in the ancient Egyptian army as well as both Carthaginian and Roman army's and were to have contact with Phoenician merchant sailors

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numidia

but i guess the game presents the factions that were already formed before year 272BC.

From some of the concept art, it would appear the Numidians at some point will be receiving a more varied unit roster. But you'll have to wait for EB2 for a chance for them to be a playable faction.

thx for ur replay man and yes just like u said i hope Numidians will be included in EB2 because teir worth it xD and hey im sorry but isnt EB2 is a modification to MTW 2 instead of RTW ?

well then i see what all this about but yeah too bad

and if u guys have anything to add I'm here

an oh yeah btw if any one can enlighten us about king Juba 2 applying of Roman tactics and fashion for his army ill be more than glad

PS : my english sux i know

peace..

[The Errant]

an oh yeah btw if any one can enlighten us about king Juba 2 applying of Roman tactics and fashion for his army ill be more than glad

PS : my english sux i know

peace..

Imitation legionaries are mostly a myth. The concept itself comes from the fact that Roman historians (whose works are the best preserved until this day) named any close order infantry with some type of heavy body armor who threw javelins before charging as "imitation legionaries".

The tactic is far older than the Roman legions. The Carthies, Armenians and Illyrians are just a few of the peoples that developed similar tactics independently with very little or no contact with Rome or warfare in Italy.

So whenever the Romans encountered a foreign soldier wearing chainmail, scale or linothorax, that fought with a large shield, spear or sword. Did this in some type of formation and threw javelins before charging, the Roman arrogance being what it was immediatly lableled them as "imitation legionaries". As if no one else on Earth was clever enough to come up with the concept.

I don't know about the Numidian heavies. But it's just as likely they evolved on their own with little or no influence derived from Roman type of warfare.
The Carthies had a unit of Elite African Swordsmen that operated in a very similar fashion to Roman legionaries. And they evolved on their own.
The Numidian heavies are just as likely to have evolved from it as Carthage is a lot closer to Numidia than it is to Rome.

In EB there is unit of noble Swordsmen in service of the desert Kingdom of Saba. They too are armored in chain. Use large shields and swords. Plus use javelins before charging. I bet a Roman historian has them too labeled somewhere as "imitation legionaries" although their contact with Rome is very limited to the later periods in antiquity, when Rome had grown into an Empire. And those troops had been in existence for a lot longer than that.

[Geoffrey S]

To be fair, it's usually more along the lines of 'armed in the Roman style', which would be useful in briefly conveying the manner of fighting for a Roman audience who understand instantly what kind of armament is implied; and indeed, it does refer more to equipment than organisation, which was what really distinguished the legions. Imitation legions is something more associated with later historians who somewhat mistook the meaning of the histories in a time when Rome was coming back into focus, and something applied by CA when designing units.

[Ludens]

First of all i want to thank you for posting a reply and if I'm not wrong the Numidians had their own Kingdom so that means they had kings and notable ones and they were forming the backbone of the Carthaginian army with their reliable great light cavalry

but there is one things the Numidian kingdom was formed and lasted (202 BC - 25 BC) even tough Numidians existed since prehistoric ages and played a big role in the ancient Egyptian army as well as both Carthaginian and Roman army's and were to have contact with Phoenician merchant sailors

Numidia didn't just have one kingdom. They've had, at various times during EB's timeframe, three or four of them. During the period EB portrays their relevance was mainly as local ally or enemy to Carthage and later Rome. They never emerged out of the shadow of either power, and although your namesake gave the Romans some headaches following the third Punic war, the outcome was never in doubt. So, I think the team made a correct decision in replacing them with another faction: their historical impact can be reasonable well simulated through rebels, and there are other factions who were more influential in their own right.

And yes, EB2 will be for M2:TW.

For me it's a error that the Numidians are excluded from the factions, are more important at this time for the roman and mediterranean history instead of the Sabeans or Sakas, especially sakas are a very useless faction, if can a modder replace this faction with numidians is very good, the Sabeans can remain but is better if replaced with a Greek (Siracusa is better) or a Illyrian tribe factions. And the Sabeans has a very limited number of unit and is natural for a faction without a strong expansionism, and lack of historic sources, Numidians hasn't this problem I think.

Unlike R:TW, EB is not mediterranean-centered. Just because a faction did not seriously influence the Mediterranean theater does not mean that they were irrelevant.

[Watchman]

Not that direct Numidian influence on the history of the Med was exactly staggering either...