Numidians !!!

[Watchman]

How so ? the numidian kings challenged both Carthaginian might and roman one and they had 1 major king at a time not like some tribal leaders had Numidians were not Nomadic people they had their own culture and civilization .

"Challenged" as in "were a deterrent to expansion" and "rebelled against", if I'm not entirely mistaken. Which by itself is basic Eleutheroi stuff.

As for one major king, styling yourself one and actually being one aren't always quite the same thing - and in any case, the same argument can be put forth for quite a few realms, groups etc. that by necessity fall under the Eleutheroi.

And since when was nomadism incompatible with "culture and civilization" anyway ? Moustachioed and bowlegged steppe-dwellers make rude gestures in your aunt's general direction for such slurs !

have u ever heard of the Numidian Pyramid

Impressive funerary buildings and other such works are not terribly unusual or meningful in the context by themselves; Europe and the Mediterranean region are full of that kind of stuff dating quite far back in some cases, the nomads of the Pontic steppe often buried their kings under huge mounds, etc.

[Geoffrey S]

Juba2, you keep referring to 'Numidian' and 'expansion' as if the various Numidian peoples were a unified front; in fact, the situation was entirely different. Except for very rare occasions there were a number of smaller kingdoms rather than a single kingdom. Certainly they were expansionist, but purely amongst each other. All in all, other than in opposition to local empires they had little influence on the flow of history, whereas (to cite your examples) the Saka played a major role in the east against the Indo-Greeks, and Saba was a commercial hub of major importance for trade between Egypt and India and was an expansionist power in the region in its own right.

However, I don't deny that a Numidian kingdom would be great as a new faction in EB2. But I do believe that, considering the constraints on faction slots in RTW, that the current factions had a greater impact on the history of the area depicted in EB and are more necessary to include.

[Juba2]

hi there

yes i do understand what u saying about numidians but they did play an important role during the Era take the Numidian cavalry and how they granted Hannibal brilliant victories against the Romans and they fought the Carthaginians as well besieging their most important cities and even helped the Romans against Carthage later and yeah i hope they'll be included in EB2 .