A Simple Guide for Complaing about Unit Stats

**Divinus Arma** · 06-30-2007, 17:20

It seems that I'm getting an excessive number of NAKED GUYS from Gaul attacking me. Had a stack with 7 NAKED GUYS and another with 10. Ordinarily I see 2-4 per stack, which feels just about right.

Just an observation. It certainly contributes to the difficulty.

**Ludens** · 07-22-2007, 12:57

Question: why do mercenary Iphikratean hoplites have the "good stamina"-attribute, while normal Iphikrateans don't?

**mcantu** · 07-22-2007, 13:47

I too think that light_spear should be used for for most non-pike units. The EDU states that spear is for very long spears...

**tk-421** · 07-22-2007, 17:11

Question: why do mercenary Iphikratean hoplites have the "good stamina"-attribute, while normal Iphikrateans don't?

Because attributes weren't finished yet at that point.

I too think that light_spear should be used for for most non-pike units. The EDU states that spear is for very long spears...

We may be using the light_spear for our spear units.

**Cybvep** · 08-25-2007, 13:04

I have a question - why the armoured elephants are almost the same as the unarmoured ones? Just look at the stats of these two units:

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type african elephant armored bush
dictionary african_elephant_armored_bush ; Armoured African Bush Elephants
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
mount elephant african cataphract
mount_effect horse +3, chariot +3, camel +3
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 4
stat_pri 6, 3, arrow, 120, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,0.7
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 5, 60, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr area, launching, ap
stat_pri_armour 1, 5, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 15, 15, metal
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -4
stat_mental 6, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 16250, 4063, 270, 400, 16250
ownership egypt, numidia, thrace, romans_julii, romans_brutii, slave, pontus

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type african elephant bush
dictionary african_elephant_bush ; African Bush Elephants
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
mount elephant african
mount_effect horse +3, chariot +4, camel +3
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 4
stat_pri 6, 3, arrow, 120, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,0.7
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 5, 53, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr area, launching, ap
stat_pri_armour 1, 5, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 13, 15, leather
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -4
stat_mental 6, normal, untrained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 11250, 2813, 250, 370, 11250
ownership egypt, numidia, slave, thrace, romans_julii, romans_brutii, pontus, saba

So, the armoured elephants gain +7 to charge bonus (which doesn't really make a big difference with numbers above 50), +2 points to armour and +1 bonus versus chariots compared with the unarmoured elephants. Such small changes are insignificant. Oh, and they have worse "heat" stat (5 instead of 3, so they will tire themselves quicker) and cost 5000 mnai more. This plus higher upkeep (cost/4) make them, in fact, worse than their unarmoured version. This is quite strange.

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type indian elephant armored
dictionary indian_elephant_armored ; Armoured Indian Elephants
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
mount elephant indian
mount_effect horse +3, chariot +4, camel +3
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 4
stat_pri 6, 0, arrow, 120, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 5, 55, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr area, launching, ap
stat_pri_armour 1, 5, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 15, 15, flesh
stat_heat 5
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -4
stat_mental 7, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 15450, 3863, 270, 400, 15450
ownership thrace, romans_julii, romans_brutii, slave, egypt, numidia, pontus, parthia, carthage

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type indian elephant standard
dictionary indian_elephant_standard ; Indian Elephants
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type General_1
soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
mount elephant indian
mount_effect horse +4, chariot +4, camel +4
attributes sea_faring, can_run_amok, frighten_foot, frighten_mounted
formation 7, 11, 13, 16, 1, square
stat_health 1, 4
stat_pri 6, 0, arrow, 120, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 5, 52, no, 0, 0, melee, other, blunt, none, 0 ,0.1
stat_sec_attr area, launching, ap
stat_pri_armour 1, 5, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour 13, 15, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 0, 0, -5, -4
stat_mental 7, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 10450, 2613, 270, 400, 10450
ownership thrace, romans_julii, romans_brutii, slave, egypt, numidia, pontus, macedon

Next pair. What do we have here... Um, almost nothing. +3 to charge bonus (practically, this means nothing), +2 to armour, 5 "heat" instead of 3, slightly worse (-1 O_o) bonuses versus cavalry and chariots. +5000 to cost and higher upkeep.

Ok, but maybe the armoured versions have much bigger mass. I checked this. The Armoured African Bush Elephants have bigger mass (20 instead of 15, this makes a difference in some situations, when the elephants have to charge through big mass of men), but the Indian ones don't even have a specific entry in descr_mount.txt and their mass is exactly the same in case of the unarmoured elephants and the armoured elephants.

It seems to me that the current stats are just placeholders, but I want to bring your attention to this elephant thing. The Armoured versions need better protection, I mean, their armour should somewhat reduce their vulnerability to missiles, right? So some bigger bonuses to armour or a point to hit points should give them some meaning.