A Simple Guide for Complaing about Unit Stats

[mAIOR]

I have one omplain that is Tindonatae being 1000mnai cheaper than Gaestasae... Why is that??



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[NeoSpartan]

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I recommend you put the Celtic Fanatics part be typed in BIG BOLD LETTERS.

Now just to double check something with you.... that "spear attribute" needs to be corrected in non-spear infantry soldiers, OR does it need to be corrected in spear and non-spear infantry alike?????

[Pharnakes]

Yeah, I'm sure I've seen people saying that units should have the spear attribute.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

exelent post...

I recommend you put the Celtic Fanatics part be typed in BIG BOLD LETTERS.

Agreed.

Now just to double check something with you.... that "spear attribute" needs to be corrected in non-spear infantry soldiers, OR does it need to be corrected in spear and non-spear infantry alike?????

I think in both spear and non-spear infantry. I think he is referring to the known Hypaspistai issue, IIRC.

[Tito Pullo]

Personally, I think the Eb unit stats system is very good for this game engine much better than vanilla and others mod I´ve tried.

[Watchman]

Far as I can tell the "spear" attribute is (outside phalanxes natch) virtually entirely restricted to the secondary weapon of "sword-and-spear" units like Hypaspistai and the assorted Celtic elites (a fair few others with the same combination don't have the attribute for their secondaries). Since the primary weapon in all cases is a sword, and one with the whopping 0.225 lethality and in most cases but one point less attack than the secondary spear (which has the usual infantry overhand lethality of 0.13), I must wonder - how is the secondary weapon having the "spear" attribute in any way particularly relevant to an unit "performing poorly" (especially as it sidesteps the issue AI has with secondaries), and were it removed (or lacking to begin with, as with eg. the Gastiz and their ilk), what reason would anyone have to ever use the units' secondary weapons ?

To me at least it would make sense to use the secondary overhand as a specialized "anti-cavalry" weapon to emphasize the versatility of these high-end units; certainly if it were stripped of any such factors, the only reason to ever use it would be for the sake of appereances...

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

I just changed the "stat_sec_attr" from "spear" to "no" for both Hypaspistai and Galatikoi Kuruathoroi. I hope they'll perform better.

Btw, I always wondered why Pheraspidai have defence ability of 12, while Hypaspistai have 8? I know Hypas and Pheras were both members of the same corps, equipped and trained to serve in a different role. So why should Pheraspidai be 50% better in defence than Hypaspistai, when they are virtually the same? Or is it just to equalize the 14 armour of the Hypas with the 10 armor of the Pheras? The same goes for the Kuruathoroi. They have exactly the same stats as Hypaspistai, but shouldn't they have an armour value of ca. 12 instead of 14, wearing mail armour while the Hypaspistai wear a bronze cuirass?

[mAIOR]

It could be a mobility issue being that the peraspidais armor allowed better mobility than their hypaspistai counterparts...


CHeers...

[NeoSpartan]

Far as I can tell the "spear" attribute is (outside phalanxes natch) virtually entirely restricted to the secondary weapon of "sword-and-spear" units like Hypaspistai and the assorted Celtic elites (a fair few others with the same combination don't have the attribute for their secondaries). Since the primary weapon in all cases is a sword, and one with the whopping 0.225 lethality and in most cases but one point less attack than the secondary spear (which has the usual infantry overhand lethality of 0.13), I must wonder - how is the secondary weapon having the "spear" attribute in any way particularly relevant to an unit "performing poorly" (especially as it sidesteps the issue AI has with secondaries), and were it removed (or lacking to begin with, as with eg. the Gastiz and their ilk), what reason would anyone have to ever use the units' secondary weapons ?

To me at least it would make sense to use the secondary overhand as a specialized "anti-cavalry" weapon to emphasize the versatility of these high-end units; certainly if it were stripped of any such factors, the only reason to ever use it would be for the sake of appereances...

hum.... I like to use the overhead spear when I put them in HOLD formation. Once I take HOLD off then I have them fight with swords.

BTW... is just me, or do spear units preform MUCH better when in HOLD??

[Ludens]

Just to make sure: the spear attribute should be removed from all units, phalanx and non-phalanx troops alike?