Well actually that is my point.Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Well actually that is my point.
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Funny definition of tolerance and respect that if someone states their sexuality they deserve to be attacked for it.
I think sexuality lies somewhere between gene and meme, it lies somewhere between ethnic group and religious affiliation in the ability to choose what you belong to.
Would you think it okay for a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian to be beaten up for it for walking around with their respective holy books?
Would it be okay for a St Patricks parade to be car bombed?
A black civil rights march to be set upon?
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What respect are these guys giving religious people? Nothing, it's a deliberate slap in the face.You got me wrong, not because of their sexuality, but because their intention is provocation pure and simple. If they do this they shouldn't be surprised if someone picks up the glove. Should they be legally allowed to do this, yeah, law is law. But why there, out of all places that one? Is your definition of mutual respect 'something we must have for other people'? Millions of people are going to be deeply grieved by this, and all because they want to be the centre of attention. Should it be allowed, yes. Should they want it, hell no. Plenty other places where they can whag their tails, without insulting anyone.
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there...you just answered the question yourself....
"Should it be allowed, yes. Should they want it, hell no."
it is not ANYONE´s place to say what other people should want or not want.......if it should be allowed it should be allowed...no IF´s!
and that my friend...makes this..
case ******* closed.
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Well, I think if God doesn't want them to dance around in his holy place, he'll surely find a way to rain on their parade...
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Ahh a bit of the good old smiting eh?
I agree that it's no-ones business what they do. However I would think this unnecessarily provocative.
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Well, I find mosquitos in my room unnecessarily provocative - that's why I kill them as good as I can.
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LOL. That sounds like straight out of Terry Pratchett.
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Well, I think if God doesn't want them to dance around in his holy place, he'll surely find a way to rain on their parade...how the hell did I forgot that!....you´re absolutelly right!
what better way for God to make his/hers/it´s presence felt then by making it rain ice the size of watermellons on these heathens???
certainly the fact that this will have to happen in Jerusalem in the middle of the summer will pose no problem for the almighty
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Fragony makes a very good argument to the point where I am a hair away from agreeing with him ( the "Behaving like this in a holy place has nothing to do with respect.")
However my disdain for religion, and thier holy places has trumped my attempt at a reasoned approach to this (again the haze is clearing). I dont have a particular like or dislike for homosexuals, if they want to march and its within thier rights to do so, yep have at it.
There are few things more annoying than some idiot who has never done anything trying to say definitively how something should be done.
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It depends on what you rate higher, the gays' rights to have a parade in any place or the religious peoples' right to not have any gays in their holy place.
Since almost nobody would think the latter is actually a right and religious people are usually seen as nuts today, guess who wins...
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Of course gays should be allowed in holy places, that's not the point. It's not a matter of law it's a matter of decency and respect. This is about as decent and respectful as pissing on someone's mother's grave. When you visit a mosk you take of your shoes. When you visit a church you don't yell. When you visit a holy city you behave because it's important for a lot of people.
Behaving like this in a holy place has nothing to do with respect. In Amsterdam you can do this. In San Fransisco you can do this. So do it there.
I am not angry because the law allows it, I am angry because they want it in the first place.
Last edited by KukriKhan; 06-22-2007 at 13:52.
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A correction here to this logic. Jerusalem the city is NOT a holy place. There are several locations in the and around the city that are considered holy in some respects to the 3 religions in question, but the city itself is not one major shrine or temple. I saw no reference in the article of the path taking them directly past the Wailing Wall or anything along those lines. Even if it did, I doubt I'd care.
As for the view of this being "provacative", my thoughts are that I disagree. The city does indeed have multiple sites of religion significance to the 3 major monotheistic religions, so what? It sounds like they are making a point to do this in that city to demonstrate solidarity and determination. The whole "this is provacative and they are asking to be attacked" argument sounds awfully close to the "she got raped because she was dressing like that" one.
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If you're a young woman wearing a short skirt, there are some neighbourhoods you had better not walk in alone at night. Call me a rape apoligist if you like, but that's a simple fact.
Large parts of Jerusalem are filled with fundamentalists (not only talking about muslims) who won't appreciate such a parade in "their" city, even if they pick their route carefully to steer away from these parts.
I hope the police will take efforts to protect them, 'cause they're going to need it.
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She might be called an idiot for walking in a dangerous neighborhood and getting raped, even rightfully so, but anyone who goes further and say that she deserves it is a complete scum.
Same in this case. It isn't particularly a wise decision what's with Gaza in flames and the tensions as high as ever. But does that mean they deserve to be car-bombed? Of course not.
Besides, wasn't there one in Jerusalem already not too long ago...or was I mistaken?
I also think that Geoffrey S has a point: the Parade is provocative. That's the point. It's the same as the Civil Rights parades of old in this aspect: you offend and you create news, eventually you'll be accepted for who you are and the bigots can snuff it.
Last edited by AntiochusIII; 06-22-2007 at 08:42.
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I Would like to point out according to Judasim the whole city is holy Its called "Yerushalyim Ir Hokdesh" jersalem the holy city.
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Why must they insist on holding a gay parade in one of the holiest places on Earth? They know it will piss off alot of people. And after all...
Last edited by KukriKhan; 06-22-2007 at 13:48.
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Press, Press, and more Press. The Gay rights movment is not local anymore the adgenda is being pressed all over the world. This parade happens every year(since 2001) "in one of the holiest places on earth".
This year it was billed as a "worldpride" event, these guys are political activist of the highest degree, and are decent tacticians at getting (you guessed it ) PRESS
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