SPQR vs EB

**neoiq5719** · 06-23-2007, 18:24

I´ve just found this SPQR mod and i´d like to ask any of u guys if u have played it and if u have what would be your comments if you compare it with EB?
thx

**Pharnakes** · 06-23-2007, 18:35

Yes, i've played it for 10mins or so, and as far as I can see the objective of the game is to make the largest possible bloodbath, the economy is ludicorous, you can pump out2 or 3 full stacks a turn form the very begining, so it just develops in to 4 or 5 full stacks clashing each turn, almost zero historical accuracy, all the map bleongs to a handful of factions from the begining... honestly I no disrespect meant to Lt.1956, but I can't see the point of it, like I said it seems to be aimed at creating the largest possible bloodbath in the smallest possible time, there's even "Kill sheets" included so you can keep a tally of how many people you have killed... one guy I saw three years into a campaign had been responsible for the deaths of a couple of hundred thousand poor soldiers, I mean what is the point in that?

That said it has its pluses, it has a garison script for example that makes it imposible to blitz by giving any city under siege a full stack of leves.

Anyway, I would say give it a try if not fo the fact that its not a mod folder, so you need a seperate instalation to play it, not worth the space it takes, IMHO. I played it for about five minutes then ran back to E.B...

**neoiq5719** · 06-23-2007, 18:44

No doubt that EB is excelent but after playing i dont know how many turns now, i´m in the marian era and there are not archers (romans of course and i gotta wait to get to the last era to see them) and no reclutable cavalry ( now someone would say that that is ahistorical but some things is history were boring and this is a game only) and i think it needs something to beef it up a bit specially since a campaign is so big and you have the same battles over and over and over. Now some could tell me that in the marian era there were no archers or cavalry? uhhhh. Maybe a bloodbath in this one wouldnt be such a bad idea since they were not that much friendly at that time. I think that EB sticks to historical events and that´s good but little things can be introduced to make it more fun cos after all is just a game.

**Grey_Fox** · 06-23-2007, 18:47

SPQR mod is designed to facilitate warfare on a larger scale than any other mod and accomplishes this with 0 unit training times (which means you can train 10 units per city per turn) and a pumped up economy. It is not based around providing an historically accurate gameplay experience as EB is, and Lt never claimed it as such. He uses the Darthmod formations so the AI fights extremely hard, and his skins I have to say are absolutely beautiful.

Because of the scale of battles (you can easily have battles with 13k+ troops) the mod uses a massive amount of resources to play, and he recommends 2 gigs of RAM for a smooth gaming experience.

**paullus** · 06-23-2007, 18:47

My machine is too weak to give it much of a shot. Also, why do y'all have to make threads like these and title them things like "EB vs. whoever" like we're gonna weigh in and duke it out in Vegas on PPV? The more good mods for RTW the better for all of us, I think.

**Pharnakes** · 06-23-2007, 18:49

You don't understand, in eb we complain about having to beat of 2 or three seleukid stacks a turn, in SPQR, you will have to deal with twice that or more from every faction, I mean it is just too much.

**russia almighty** · 06-23-2007, 18:51

Yeah thats why I gave everyone build times . Everything got easier after that.

**Foot** · 06-23-2007, 18:51

Originally Posted by neoiq5719

No doubt that EB is excelent but after playing i dont know how many turns now, i´m in the marian era and there are not archers (romans of course) and no reclutable cavalry ( now someone would say that that is ahistorical but some thing is history were boring and this is a game only) and i think it needs something to beef it up a bit specially since a campaign is so big and you have the same battles over and over and over. Maybe a bloodbath in this one wouldnt be such a bad idea since they were not that much friendly at that time. I think that EB sticks to historical events and that´s good but little things can be introduced to make it more fun cos after all is just a game.

Then you have an entirely different philosophy to EB. We think History is far more fun and interesting than some made-up, pseudo-historical job. So you can't use archers? Change your tactics or go routing around for more: it would be good incentive to take Krete or Syria. No cavalry? Go to Iberian, Thrace, Germany or Gaul and you'll find the cavalry you want.

And no, this isn't just a game, this is an educational game, and we can't educate if we lie to the players.

Foot

**neoiq5719** · 06-23-2007, 18:53

Dude no one is trying to make a comparason with EB or anything like that. Take some time to read the threads before saying anything cos i was just asking for opinions whether it was worth playing it or not and since EB is great, u need something good to measure it with.

**Foot** · 06-23-2007, 18:54

Originally Posted by neoiq5719

Dude no one is trying to make a comparason with EB or anything like that. Take some time to read the threads before saying anything cos i was just asking for opinions whether it was worth playing it or not and since EB is great, u need something good to measure it with.

Your title suggests a competition between the two.

Anyway the stock response is this:

Download it and Play it. If you like it, Play it some more.

Foot

**neoiq5719** · 06-23-2007, 19:02

Originally Posted by Foot

Your title suggests a competition between the two.

Anyway the stock response is this:

Download it and Play it. If you like it, Play it some more.

Foot

Well i was looking for a more grown-up answer like Pharnakes did but i see now that some "ppl" are just way to sensitive about this EB.

**Teleklos Archelaou** · 06-23-2007, 19:05

Originally Posted by neoiq5719

Dude no one is trying to make a comparason with EB or anything like that.

Those were exactly your first words in this thread.

"what would be your comments if you compare it with EB"

We really don't like MOD X vs. EB threads (nor do other mods really - you'll get the same response in SPQR or RTR fora) - I hate doing this but I'm gonna have to close this thread. SPQR just had a big release - there's no reason for anyone here to be bringing them down or getting into this sort of debate. Enjoy them all!