Rommel
Manstein
Guderian
Zhukov
Round 3-Modern Bracket
Pick the winners for Round 4. Since there are ONLY 4 Generals, the highest scoring one will be the winner of this Bracket, and will go on to face the others next round.
1 Vote per Person.
I wonder if I should have Hitler eliminate the German generals....
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Hmmm, I would have thought Rommel would have more votes than just me.
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His peers represented in the poll surpassed his impressive achievements.
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whats with the nazi worship on this site?
no thank you to voting for any of them.
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Acknowlegeing that their generals were the best of the war dosn't make you a Nazi supporter it's just fact.
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Indeed.
Many of the German generals were in fact anti-Nazi, they just loved Germany to much to really fight against it (I guess).
I admire Genghis Khan, but he killed hundreds of thousands. That doesn't mean I admire his killing, I admire his martial skill and spirit.
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"I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96
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Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
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Trust me, if there were better non-German generals to vote for, the majority would have gone with them. There is no love affair with Germans fighting in the Second World War here at the .org.
Unfortunately for people such as yourself, that just isn't the case.
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1) Being German in WWII did not make you a Nazi.
2) The July 20th Plot was a plot among German Generals to despose the Nazi regime.
3) Rommel knew of the Plot (though he did not participate, he also did not inform the Nazis), and Manstein had frequent arguments with Hitler (the only reason he did not join the plot was because of his sense of duty).
I suggest you read up on the subject before you make remarks such as that.
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Boys, I smell fire...
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Sorry but... what a hell is Zhugov doing here?
How about O'Connor?
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This is a difficult poll.
Zhukov might be much more skilled, or much less skilled, than he's generally recognized as. The major question is what would have happened if Zhukov had been allowed to continue according to his own plans in the winter 1941, after halting the German offensive, instead of having to do as Stalin ordered and dilute his strength along the entire front. Would he have been capable of encircling and wiping out the entire German Army Group North? If so, the war could have been won already in 1942 or 1943. Additionally, one must keep in mind he had difficult opponents during the later offensive phase, but the question is to what extent the slow advance was the result of: the defensive skills of the opposition, Zhukov's inability to better use the superior resources he had by the end of the war, terrain/technology reasons, or inhibiting orders from Stalin.
Manstein is slightly easier to judge, even though at some points it's unclear when his failures/lack of more success were due to destructive orders from Hitler, or due to lacking skills. However, the planning for Fall Gelb, and the many operations he conducted on the eastern front, can be attributed to Manstein, and were impressive. He was apparently critical of the attack on Poland, realizing that it was more useful as a buffer zone to Soviet, so this hints that he may have had good sense of the highest level military strategy, and political strategy as well.
Guderian and Rommel are IMO not comparable to Manstein and Zhukov, since they were less of strategists than they were tacticians. It is difficult to guess how much influence Guderian had in reforming the usage of tanks, as the idea existed before he wrote his book. I'd not mind to have either of them commanding a division (or maybe even a Corps) in an area with good supply conditions, but would hesitate to use them elsewhere.
In conclusion I vote Manstein, because no matter the truth on Zhukov, Manstein is slightly, or a lot, better.
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Where's Rokossovsky or Konev?
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You should have suggested him, and O'Connor lost.
"Nietzsche is dead" - God
"I agree, although I support China I support anyone discovering things for Science and humanity." - lenin96
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Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
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