Winning First

[Zpartan]

I've noticed time after time especially when I'm trying to go Chivalry for once that no matter what my general will always get Winning First Trait. What triggers this? I make sure I don't hit my units with friendly fire, and I release all prisoners. Anyone give some input for me?

[Thurak]

I don´t know if I got all of them, but here are several triggers...



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Trigger battle3_Dread_fighting
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 8
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 50
Affects Bloodthirsty 1 Chance 10

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Trigger battle3_Chivalry_fighting
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition GeneralNumKillsInBattle > 8
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 50

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Trigger battle3Chivalry1_defensivewin
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition not WasAttacker
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.8
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 100

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Trigger battle3Chivalry_hardoddswin
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and BattleOdds <= 0.5
and not Trait BattleDread > 0
and GeneralFoughtInCombat

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 66

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Trigger battle3Chivalry_religioncatholic
WhenToTest GeneralAssaultsGeneral

Condition CharacterReligion catholic
and TargetReligion islam
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

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Trigger battle3Chivalry_religionorthodox
WhenToTest GeneralAssaultsGeneral

Condition CharacterReligion orthodox
and TargetReligion islam
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

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Trigger battle3Chivalry_religionislam
WhenToTest GeneralAssaultsGeneral

Condition CharacterReligion islam
and TargetReligion catholic
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 66

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Trigger battle3Chivalry1_notchaserouters
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= average
and PercentageEnemyKilled < 20
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.95
and not Trait BattleDread > 0

Affects BattleChivalry 1 Chance 33

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Trigger battle3Dread_PickingOnWeak
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WasAttacker
and WonBattle
and BattleOdds > 1.5
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 50
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread 1 Chance 100

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Trigger battle3Dread_TotalAnnihilation
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= crushing
and PercentageEnemyKilled > 70
and GeneralFoughtInCombat
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.95
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread 2 Chance 100

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Trigger battle3Dread_Let_Them_Go
WhenToTest PostBattle

Condition IsGeneral
and WonBattle
and BattleSuccess >= average
and PercentageEnemyKilled < 20
and not GeneralFoughtInCombat
and IsGeneral
and BattleOdds < 0.95
and not Trait BattleChivalry > 0

Affects BattleDread -1 Chance 100

[Kobal2fr]

Most often it's attacking with vastly superior odds. Anything over 1.5, and you're dreadfull.

[Zpartan]

So if I just moved some men out of the stack before I attacked would that work?

[TevashSzat]

Some of the triggers are really ridiculous like if your general kills more than 8 units there is instantly a chance I believe and some other things. You can find it I think in one of the new guides for building the perfect general that have been posted recently

[Kobal2fr]

Yes. Anything to bring the odds down. The thing is, odds are not only based on numbers, but also unit strength. Your general alone is very heavy on them, followed by heavy cav, then heavy foot, then foot, then missiles. For some reason, Peasant Archers and the like are almost invisible to the odds, even in LTC where they are very dangerous. *shrug* take advantage of it if you can, I say

As an example, the only way to get 1:1 odds on York as the English early on is to attack it with Rufus alone, with maybe 1-2 units of archers.

Or you could just throw all that down the drain and welcome your new Dread overlord