Hayasdan Questions (and some general ones)

**Follow** · 06-27-2007, 01:57

I don't think I had a choice with Sauromatae. I certainly didn't attack them, I think they either started as being at war with me, or declared war on me VERY early into the game. I haven't built anything uneccesary (or really anything at all), I have government buildings in a few towns, river ports, and roads (basically anything to make money). The rest of my money goes directly into building troops where needed, or replenishing lost numbers in units.

Follow :)

**mlp071** · 06-27-2007, 03:36

They start at war with you. I am playing Sauromatae campaign , and Hai accepted ceasefire right away, should work vice versa also . As long you don't border with them in early turns they will agree on that .

Only problem is that Sauromatae really like Kotais.

+++EDIT: if you manage to get alliance with them at same time when you get ceasefire , they will leave you alone for awhile.

**MarcusAureliusAntoninus** · 06-27-2007, 04:32

Yeah, try to get that alliance.

And don't bother replacing your loses. This can be one of the most costly things in an early campaign. Part of the early profit comes from having depleted units that no longer require full upkeep. (Though, that is a whole lot easier said than done if Seleucia won't leave you alone.)

**KARTLOS** · 06-27-2007, 04:42

are you playing on vh vh? i havent had any problems with the sauromatae.

the selucids are troubelsome though, i initially alled with every place i could send diplomats to and set about taking the nearby rebel states. then the selucids declared war on me and i have never attempted to make peace.
they have been my only enemy thus far. i have managed to take nearlly all turkey minus a makedonian and ptolmy province. and i have nearrly taken the selucids persian provinces.
money can be tight, but as previoulsy suggested you have to be patient and concentrate on mine development.

**Sarkiss** · 06-28-2007, 21:41

i struggled as Armenia, experienced something very similar to what Follow described... at the end just grown tired of a stone age and countless Seleucid stacks, and their new family members who tend to attack with all mercenary armies. what i'd suggest is to definitely try money script or play on H campaign.
VH is a bit too overwhelming, and even H difficulty dont stop them from hiring full stacks of mercenaries, but does however tone them down a bit.
also there is a problem with Hayasdan in current build: cataphracts aren't available and afaik elite spearmen's status isnt right.
waiting for a next build to start over their never-ending struggle

**Follow** · 06-29-2007, 18:53

Maybe the issue is Kotais, I took that pretty early on. It's a port town, and I really needed a port! I've tried turn after turn (after killing a countless hoard of their family members) to have a ceasefire with them, but nothing. Even Seluekia talks peace for very (and I stress VERY) short periods of time, but the Sauromatae will have absolutely NONE of it.

I'm playing on the recommended VH/M settings. I think maybe the error made was taking Kotais early on because I wanted a port. The game even tried to warn me; every time I would attack the damn town, a hidden army would come and overwhelm me until I ran away (both of my losses were taking that town around the 10th turn). I just came back with enough force to kill both armies so I could have my port! Bad idea I guess, heed the gods and all that. ;)

Follow :)

**Veris** · 06-29-2007, 19:17

Don't even bother trying to make sense with RTW diplomacy. Just dl the Forced Diplomacy mod by Jarado and your life will be much easier. It made playing as Bactria fun when I chose not to destroy the Seleucids immediately, since otherwise they would never have let up. Money scripts are nice too, and you can tweak them to your own likings if needed.

**KARTLOS** · 07-02-2007, 06:55

Originally Posted by Follow

Maybe the issue is Kotais, I took that pretty early on. It's a port town, and I really needed a port! I've tried turn after turn (after killing a countless hoard of their family members) to have a ceasefire with them, but nothing. Even Seluekia talks peace for very (and I stress VERY) short periods of time, but the Sauromatae will have absolutely NONE of it.

I'm playing on the recommended VH/M settings. I think maybe the error made was taking Kotais early on because I wanted a port. The game even tried to warn me; every time I would attack the damn town, a hidden army would come and overwhelm me until I ran away (both of my losses were taking that town around the 10th turn). I just came back with enough force to kill both armies so I could have my port! Bad idea I guess, heed the gods and all that. ;)

Follow :)

well i did pretty much the same thing, kotais was one of my first targets and i havent been experiencing the same problems as you.

i did negotiate an alliance with the sauromatai as soon as i could though