CO2 Emission Reduction

[Odin]

Just look at Gores graph for yourself. Its right there. I noticed it before looking for proof. In fact its not even disputed anymore.

Quoting and using Gore as reference, even in jest is blasphemy, he should be shipped abroad as fast as possible.

That said, no matter the cause for increased CO2, there is one sure fire way to deal with it, and thats forestation. Tree's hold carbon, and the less there are the more carbon gets into the atmosphere.

So I dont really care if its the sun, a billion indians who get cars, thousands of chinese factories... Dosent matter to me if we burn oil fossil fuels, heck my CO2 footprint is probably higher then most.

I agree with you Gawain, there is a big reem job happening with global warming fear mongering. Its correctable, and sustainable and everyone can have coal bon fires in thier back yards.

We just need to stop cutting so many trees and plant a few more. Simple isnt it? Of course that dosent sell movies, or commercial time, or papers with op ed pieces does it?

You know Gawain your influence has made me fairly sceptical, more then I was in my younger years, but your bordering on becoming a heathen in my eyes for the Gore references.

I know your better then that...

[Tribesman]

As does this

climate swindle Oceans

Nice clip from the film Gawain , that fella talking , the scientist bloke on about oceans and stuff . he wouldn't happen to be the one who says he is completely misrepresented in the film is he , a film he says is as accurate as WW2 propoganda movies ? or is that a different fella ?
Keep 'em coming

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nice clip from the film Gawain , that fella talking , the scientist bloke on about oceans and stuff . he wouldn't happen to be the one who says he is completely misrepresented in the film is he , a film he says is as accurate as WW2 propoganda movies ? or is that a different fella ?
Keep 'em coming

I said there were parts you could pick apart. Sounds like all those guys who say the IPCC did the same to them.

Would that be the graph that was not only cut but also stretched and then straightened because it didn't show what the producer wanted it to show .
Way to go Gawain are these more "FACTS" you are presenting

Look at the graph Gore uses. It shows the samething clearly. Thats where I noticed it. And where did I claim these are facts.? Just your usual nonsense.

Quoting and using Gore as reference, even in jest is blasphemy, he should be shipped abroad as fast as possible.

Well I have to say that seeing him on that concert show really pissed me off. All these people going gah gah over him going "oh I never knew that". What a load of crap. What propaganda. He hasnt changed from that 70s piece of crap he always was. Finding a cause to advance himself.

[Husar]

Funny stuff.

To me, arguments on both sides make sense and I actually like what Odin says, more trees certainly won't hurt us and they also "produce" oxygen which we need anyway and that's just a few of their uses, they have a lot more.
The graph about the 800 year lag Gawain showed does make sense but so does the greenhouse explanation for global warming. Another argument for global warming would be that global dimming works against it currently, because it was shown that exhaust fumes, clouds and other particles in the air reflect sunlight back to space, so reducing our emissions will also allow more sunlight into our atmosphere. This means the once we have our CO2 reduction completed and we emit nothing anymore but the atmosphere is still full of CO2, we might be grilled, or not. Depends on who is right and how strong the individual effects are and maybe that's where the truth lies.

Like many said, it's a complicated issue and a combination of differently strong factors can lead to different results. That means it's entirely possible that the earth is warming up and that we help it do so. And I wouldn't even wonder if there was a factor we don't even know about, like the reduction of cool honeybees who absorbed a lot of sunlight before and are dieing now because our waves disturb their GPS(talk about reliance on technology...).

[Gawain of Orkeny]

but so does the greenhouse explanation for global warming.

If it were so then the temp increase should be the highest in the troposphere but its not . Its highest at ground level. Just about nothing fits. I could claim its the invention of the personal pc as the temp has gone up since its invention. Maybe its because there are more Muslims in the world and the extra CO2 they spout while praying out loud 5 times a day.

The only part that fits is CO2 is a greenhouse gas and traps heat. After that its all conjecture.

[Husar]

If it were so then the temp increase should be the highest in the troposphere but its not . Its highest at ground level. Just about nothing fits.

The particles there just reflect the sunlight that was reflected from the ground while the ground reflecte the same light rays first(you could say when they still had more energy) and also absorbed some of them, so naturally the ground is hotter. I don't think reflection causes as much heat as absorption does. With more reflection up in the sky, the ground will also absorb more because rays reflected at first will be thrown back down.

[Sigurd]

Actually we don't have to discuss whether reduction of CO2 emission will in fact reduce global warming. This is not the issue.
The issue is that nations are bound to an agreement to reduce their emission with such and such percent.
Norway has agreed to reduce their CO2 emission by 30% by 2020.
Whether I agree or not makes for spit in the ocean.
They will execute their plan even if I should blow myself up at a shopping centre as a protest against following an absurd concept. I guess we have to live with it.
And frankly I am a little tired of being the good guy; the pioneer in environmental issues.
The world window to how things should be done on this planet. We are a speck in the ocean, and no matter what we do it will have no/little effect globally.

It is just the new idea that it is frowned upon that you drive a gasoline hungry car, that people point to their head if you sit in your car on a parking lot with the engine running. Don’t they get that it is hot in a car and you need the engine running to operate you AC?
Oh no, this guy is travelling by plane more than two times a year…

As I mentioned, if we as individual people stop using cars, do not heat our house, stop breathing and do not cook food – the reduced CO2 emission would amount to 12 %...
Stop bugging we with this crap… go to the industries; they can by simple means reduce their CO2 by large amounts. Did I mention that my company plan on a 25 % reduction by next year?
And if you could buy such quotas in the developing countries by putting a catalyst on two three coal plants, say what amounts to 20% of your emission, that would be OK, wouldn’t it?
See? We filled our quota without bugging our citizens with higher fuel prices or increased taxes on cars, travel, electricity or food.

Oh and to please Odin… We even planted trees… you gotta deduct their CO2 absorption from our quota mr. Kyoto.
Oh, we managed a 40% reduction.. Can we have 10% back in cash please?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

t explains top right wing extremist bloggers, pollution supporters, and ostrich-like deniers t

Proving another of mine and the great global warming swindles points. Call those who disagree dirty names.

that CO2 increase are expected after the end of an ice age.

Why? Isnt then end of an ice age caused by global warming?

That has no relation whatsoever with global warming.

Well at least you go that right

[Rodion Romanovich]

Proving another of mine and the great global warming swindles points. Call those who disagree dirty names.

Dirtyness in those names come from your own interpretation. At least that proves you feel guilty and are doubting your standpoint. That's a good first step.

Why? Isnt then end of an ice age caused by global warming?

Considering that cavemen didn't have CO2 emission factories and an ability to drill for oil and natural gas and create coal mines, whatever source convinced you of that must be quite unreliable. It's important to scrutinize the sources well, thinking of what their motives may be, and whether they can support their standpoints by valid scientific arguments. Right wing extremist blogs are not to consider reliable sources.