Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History

[Paradox]

No Dogbunaga. His Skull would be a good enough bone for me .


Lord Yamana Yoshisada.

OOC:

[Seign Thelas]

Hojo Ujiyasu wonders why Lord Yamana wants to bone Lord Miyoshi.

[Paradox]

Hojo Ujiyasu wonders why Lord Yamana wants to bone Lord Miyoshi.

Am I seeing things?

[Seign Thelas]

Twas a joke, my good sir. Hahaha.

Just a note: I'm going on a camping trip this week until Friday.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

No Dogbunaga. His Skull would be a good enough bone for me .


Lord Yamana Yoshisada.

I believe Lord Yamana means Lord Nagamasha, not Lord Miyoshi.

[Prince Cobra]

I sacrifised 15 minutes of my life to make your life easier ... My advice to Kage is to put these on the first chapter and to update them regularly.

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[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Thanks Stephen .

Yeah, I met Nagamasa's Head, not Miyoshi's. I should have wordered it better !

[AggonyDuck]

Thanks for the work! It's very helpful.

[seireikhaan]

Kage- I am ready to resume command of Satomi, if you would allow it.

[Kagemusha]

Kage- I am ready to resume command of Satomi, if you would allow it.

Ofcourse.Wellcome back Khaan! For the others. The reason for the delay of the chapter has been that the Org, decided to eat my half written chapter and i have had some trouble motivating myself in writing the same text again. That should teach me to use notepad for writing these like i usually do.

[Prince Cobra]

Ofcourse.Wellcome back Khaan! For the others. The reason for the delay of the chapter has been that the Org, decided to eat my half written chapter and i have had some trouble motivating myself in writing the same text again. That should teach me to use notepad for writing these like i usually do.

I know that feeling. Maybe it is for good. You can even make the chapter more entertaining in the new version.

P.S. Bad Org., Bad Org.!

P.S.2 I wonder does this mystery have something to do with the intrigues of the Otomo? Bad Otomo, bad Otomo...

[Prince Cobra]

Declaration of the Kanrei

Unfortunately it seems the winter storms have paralysed the ports of Nippon and ships and Tsukai Ban are moving slowly. But I heard strange things about the behaviour of the Otomo. It seems this worm is happy about the situation and there are even rumours he blesses each day that he had left on the earth. His intrigues have been exposed and now he could not even trust his shadow. He also wonders if the noble Shimazu will fulfil (despite his strange words) his duty to the Shogun and will put the end of his miserable existence. He also doubts his own retainers since he did not know the day when his own servants will put the end of his miserable life. While I speak this, I hear for the tragedy of the Otomo men dying from the blade of the loyal Chugoku daymios. I say the time of the poisonous Otomo who has wished to conquer all of the West is about to over. Only a fool or very desperate man will trust his word and dust will soon cover the capital of Utsuki.

To Otomo Sorin with sincere damnation,
Miyoshi Chokei,Kanrei

[Revolting Friendship]

What can a man know for certain? Whatever comes, I will embrace it as my fate, for no one forges his own fortune, we can but do what has been laid upon us since the day we entered this life. My fate was to be a warrior. In a time like this, when war is too great a curse to be borne by any land or people, total victory is the only righteous aim. To achieve this victory, I have done things I am not proud of, show me one warrior who has not. If my actions will lead me to victory or defeat is yet to be seen. Many hard choices are made in vain in this world, but only then will they be spoken of as a tragedy rather than a worthy sacrifice.

I welcome anyone who wishes to relieve me of my head, to come and try it. No matter what allies you can raise against me, Kanrei, know that I will not go easily. Still, I put faith in my allies the Shimazu. There are men who cannot be trusted but still used to achieve an advantage, Môri Motonari was one such man. It was not my strategy that failed me that time but fortune. However, Shimazu Takahisa I have resolved to put my full confidence in. I doubt deeply that he would betray it.

I also advice you to speak for yourself Chokei, it may relieve you of future shame from having misjudged your position among your peers.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Prince Cobra]

~:Miyoshi Chokei closes his fan and laughs:~

Yes, Otomo Sorin, your words sound well but deeds speak louder than the words. We are all in the hands of the Gods but with their help I might show that your destiny is far more different from what you think.

Thank you for the advice but you are not competent enough to pronounce on the issues of loyalty and alliances, I think. My allies show they are brave and honourable man, especially the person of Asakura Yoshikage. He was a loyal friend and a great warrior. Unfortunately, the immense luck of Oda Nobunaga and the treachery of the Asai led to his premature death. But I will avenge him and will slay the Asai daimyo and Oda Nobunaga. I will not rest until I see their heads on silver plates.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

What can a man know for certain? Whatever comes, I will embrace it as my fate, for no one forges his own fortune, we can but do what has been laid upon us since the day we entered this life. My fate was to be a warrior. In a time like this, when war is too great a curse to be borne by any land or people, total victory is the only righteous aim. To achieve this victory, I have done things I am not proud of, show me one warrior who has not. If my actions will lead me to victory or defeat is yet to be seen. Many hard choices are made in vain in this world, but only then will they be spoken of as a tragedy rather than a worthy sacrifice.

I welcome anyone who wishes to relieve me of my head, to come and try it. No matter what allies you can raise against me, Kanrei, know that I will not go easily. Still, I put faith in my allies the Shimazu. There are men who cannot be trusted but still used to achieve an advantage, Môri Motonari was one such man. It was not my strategy that failed me that time but fortune. However, Shimazu Takahisa I have resolved to put my full confidence in. I doubt deeply that he would betray it.

I also advice you to speak for yourself Chokei, it may relieve you of future shame from having misjudged your position among your peers.

Ôtomo Sorin

You say you did things you are not proud of? So you are not a butcher, a dog, a sack of dog waste. But If I, Lord Yamana Yoshisada or my honourable allies does something wrong (and I have done things I am not happy over doing also), I am a butcher, baby-killer, coward and a lap-dog.



You are a dog with sharp teeth and claws. You know how to fight, and fight well. You had luck on your side for a long while now, Sorin, but sooner or later, your teeth will become dull, same with your claws. Your luck will run out, or your will make a mistake, and you will die for your actions.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[AggonyDuck]

If Lord Yamana wishes to be respected, we have only one advice to give. Stay silent and let your sword do the talking. The sword you carry is currently the only thing about you worthy of respect, so do not tarnish it with your words. As long as you keep opening your mouth, you will be known to all of Japan as the Buffoon of Inaba.

Oda Nobunaga

[Prince Cobra]

If Lord Yamana wishes to be respected, we have only one advice to give. Stay silent and let your sword do the talking. The sword you carry is currently the only thing about you worthy of respect, so do not tarnish it with your words. As long as you keep opening your mouth, you will be known to all of Japan as the Buffoon of Inaba.

Oda Nobunaga

Maybe you accuse Lord Yamana for an "attempt" to annex the Isshiki? Ha, invasion with 500 men... this is something quite... exotic. It seems that he was misinformed about the Isshiki since the Yamana declarations sounded strange at the very least. With the wise intervention of His Highness the Shogun, the misunderstanding ended and I do doubt there will be more problems between the Isshiki and the Yamana. As far as I know all the issues between the two clans are solved and peace is guaranteed by the Bakufu. Unfortunately for you, Oda Nobunaga and for the "traitorous swines" like the Otomo and Asai. I use the exact words of the Asai (or to specify this: Asai Nagamasa) when his supposed ally Mori Motonari was backstabbed.

Experience also says that your assessment is not always true. You made a mistake underestimating the Asakura, you make a mistake that you underestimated the Yamana. Yamana are loyal servants to the Shogun and you will not have always the luck to steal your victory.

Mori Motonari was a traitorous swine! You yourself saw the Letter from himself saying he would support me against you, his passing is a blessing upon Japan! His sons will reclaim the clans honour and fight to the end if needed. You had a choice of sides in this war Miyoshi and your lack of decisiveness moved you to choose the wrong side, and make a fatal decision with your actions in doing so. Asakura started this war, i offered him the chance to bck down and be allowed to retreat to Echizen, he declined and will die for his stupidity. Why would i not allow my ally Otomo a chance for some revenge upon the persecutor of his faith in the process? As for not attacking Owari? A lesson in war for you Miyoshi "Never interupt your enemy when hes making a mistake".


Asai Nagamasa

Nagamasa, Nagamasa, we shall see who have made a mistake

OOC: Heating the atmosphere for the next chapter.

[AggonyDuck]

We only stated that Lord Yamana is a servile buffoon, that should let his sword do the talking. We do not understand how you have mixed the Isshiki in this as we did not mention the Isshiki. Perhaps your mind has become addled from all the stale air in that palace of yours.

Anyway lets take a moment to speak of the hypocrisy of the Kanrei. Four years ago there were two clans in Eastern Kinki that outright refused your rule: the Kitabatake and the Oda. That same summer the Asai and the Saito together invaded the Kitabatake and suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Fox of Ise. The Kanrei did not protest against this invasion. The next spring the Asai sought a new ally to defeat the Kitabatake, the Oda clan and a new invasion of Ise was launched. Surprisingly, this alliance and the invasion wasn't taken too well by the Kanrei, who the previous year had given his silent blessing to the previous invasion. So why did the Kanrei's opinion of the Asai and the Kitabatake change so drastically? The reason is two-fold and rather simple: There was a threat to the status quo of the Kinai region and the Miyoshi needed to continue to expand their influence. One thing is clear about the Kanrei; he is no fool and he knows that the Miyoshi need to grow in power, because when one of the western or eastern daimyo manages to unite that part of the nation, the Miyoshi holdings are insufficient. As to the Miyoshi claim to power, we all know that titles without military power mean nothing, just a look at our mockery of a Shogun and it is very apparent. Currently the Miyoshi are nothing more than one clan fighting for power among others and any loyalty displayed to the Kanrei is one of convenience.

Oda Nobunaga

[Revolting Friendship]

To Miyoshi:

With the wise intervention of His Highness the Shogun, the misunderstanding ended and I do doubt there will be more problems between the Isshiki and the Yamana. As far as I know all the issues between the two clans are solved and peace is guaranteed by the Bakufu.

And by whoms complaint was the indifferent Kanrei and his Shogun lackey called into issuing a decree? Up to the point of my involvement, you have not once cared about conflicts unless they have involved your neighbours being expansive, or neighbours being annexed by others than yourself. Not once had you tried to mediate peace, not once had you stepped in to resolve an issue, put pressure on an aggressor, or supported a victim, disregarding the fact that you were both Kanrei and the most powerful clan in Nippon.

You excused yourself by your lack of ability to assist victims then. Now however, you boast your vast superiority towards your own victims. Back then you did not even protest when loyal clans were being slaughtered in your support, today you plan far off invasions against those who oppose you. Yet you have not added a shô of koku to your name since!
Do you take us for complete and utter fools, Kanrei, or is your memory impaired to that of a koi, so you do not remember events, transpired just two or three years ago?

Your actions have proven your nature before, and they continue to do so. Creating another grateful guard dog in the Kitabatake, as you did with Yamana, speaks nothing in your favour. The Yamana and Kitabatake did nothing to support you, until you bought their loyalty, and you praise them as honorable for nothing but their support. Still, I have not once heard you speak well of the Sagara, who were destroyed, defending your honor and title, without anyone asking them to do so.

Ôtomo Sorin

To Yamana:

But If I, Lord Yamana Yoshisada or my honourable allies does something wrong (and I have done things I am not happy over doing also), I am a butcher, baby-killer, coward and a lap-dog.

I did not claim my actions were wrong, I only said I am not proud of them all. Not many things are worthy of pride.

Ôtomo Sorin

[AggonyDuck]

Experience also says that your assessment is not always true. You made a mistake underestimating the Asakura, you make a mistake that you underestimated the Yamana. Yamana are loyal servants to the Shogun and you will not have always the luck to steal your victory.

We are all guilty of underestimations. I underestimated the Asakura and he most certainly underestimated me. If he hadn't, you would already have my head on your silver plate. As to you, you dallied in involving yourself in the war and did not strike us while we were weak and now you are paying the price in blood. But that same dalliance caused us to underestimate when you decided to involve yourself. In the end we are all paying the price of these underestimations and do believe all of us will continue to do so.

[Prince Cobra]

To Miyoshi:



And by whoms complaint was the indifferent Kanrei and his Shogun lackey called into issuing a decree? Up to the point of my involvement, you have not once cared about conflicts unless they have involved your neighbours being expansive, or neighbours being annexed by others than yourself. Not once had you tried to mediate peace, not once had you stepped in to resolve an issue, put pressure on an aggressor, or supported a victim, disregarding the fact that you were both Kanrei and the most powerful clan in Nippon.

You excused yourself by your lack of ability to assist victims then. Now however, you boast your vast superiority towards your own victims. Back then you did not even protest when loyal clans were being slaughtered in your support, today you plan far off invasions against those who oppose you. Yet you have not added a shô of koku to your name since!
Do you take us for complete and utter fools, Kanrei, or is your memory impaired to that of a koi, so you do not remember events, transpired just two or three years ago?

Your actions have proven your nature before, and they continue to do so. Creating another grateful guard dog in the Kitabatake, as you did with Yamana, speaks nothing in your favour. The Yamana and Kitabatake did nothing to support you, until you bought their loyalty, and you praise them as honorable for nothing but their support. Still, I have not once heard you speak well of the Sagara, who were destroyed, defending your honor and title, without anyone asking them to do so.

Ôtomo Sorin

To Yamana:



I did not claim my actions were wrong, I only said I am not proud of them all. Not many things are worthy of pride.

Ôtomo Sorin

Ha! Do you really think it was you who provoked me to do anything? You did not stop me to capture Ise and to return it to Kitabatake and you did not have the power to influence me in this case, either... Neither your miserable "aid" can persuade anybody to become a tool of your feuds!

You probably mean Ito? May I ask what the noble Otomo want to say? Are the Shimazu not supposed
to be their ally?
Ito is dead and I pray for his soul. This is what all I can do for him. My main purpose is to protect the Shogun and to defend the living friends I have. Yes, I prefer to put the feuds aside and to think for the future instead of creating more misery to this troubled land and becoming a slave of emotions. At the time I had no means to interfere in Kyushu, now I have to take care for the safety of the Shogun. And maybe Shimazu has seen his past mistakes and is ready to build a Buddhist temple in memory of the late Ito? After all Ito died for the cause of the Shogunate and I believe his soul will be satisfied if he sees that Kyushu is back again in loyal hands!

I know that you find amusing the way I tolerate the freedom of the clans around me? Yes, I doubt you can undertsand me since you have put your greedy hands on the lands of Ryozoji and Akizuki. It was also strange to see accusing Akizuki for cowardice after I see little difference between his behaviour in the battle of Yamagawa and your own just a season ago!

Guarding dogs around me? No, these are my allies!

[Prince Cobra]

We are all guilty of underestimations. I underestimated the Asakura and he most certainly underestimated me. If he hadn't, you would already have my head on your silver plate. As to you, you dallied in involving yourself in the war and did not strike us while we were weak and now you are paying the price in blood. But that same dalliance caused us to underestimate when you decided to involve yourself. In the end we are all paying the price of these underestimations and do believe all of us will continue to do so.

~:the Kanrei slightly smiles but stays silent:~

[Revolting Friendship]

You probably mean Ito? May I ask what the noble Otomo want to say? Are the Shimazu not supposed
to be their ally?

Whichever they were, I've said before that I have no regard for the supporters of fools, but you should have some sympathy for the fate of your supporters. Clearly you do not, unless there is an agenda, unless there is some gain for you, or loss for your enemies. I understand that, but you claim to be honorable while not, and to have noble intentions while showing no signs of them.
And this is also why I am certain that it was I who forced you into interfering in Yamana's business. For you had never done anything of the like, prior to my complaint. Even in that case there was plenty of time for you to speak up before I did, but you did not. You were just saving your face, that is all. You made it too clear to see by your previous actions.

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Seign Thelas]

Hojo Ujiyasu is back from his camping trip, man.

[Monk]

OOC: You guys aren't helping my patience going back in forth IC!

Patiently, but anxiously, awaiting the next chapter!

[Prince Cobra]

Whichever they were, I've said before that I have no regard for the supporters of fools, but you should have some sympathy for the fate of your supporters. Clearly you do not, unless there is an agenda, unless there is some gain for you, or loss for your enemies. I understand that, but you claim to be honorable while not, and to have noble intentions while showing no signs of them.
And this is also why I am certain that it was I who forced you into interfering in Yamana's business. For you had never done anything of the like, prior to my complaint. Even in that case there was plenty of time for you to speak up before I did, but you did not. You were just saving your face, that is all. You made it too clear to see by your previous actions.

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin

You are a dog, Otomo and you will be treated as such. Dare to step on any of my seven provinces or in the provinces of the other loyal clans and I will show you how I treat the dogs that bite their master. And our master is the Shogun, the commander-in-chief of the army of the Divine Emperor.

As far as the Isshiki case are concerned, your plan to foment a war between Yamana and Isshiki was quite obvious. This would have greatly increased your influence over the Chugoku region and would have served the ambitions of your sick mind. But you should not worry because with Gods' blessing I may deliver you the cure you are so desperately looking for.

My advice is to realise you are walking on the ground and that you are not a bird in the sky. For me you are nothing but a mad man and a mortal one, too.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Also remember, I had no ally in Chûgoku to sacrifice my life for. My allies are on Kyûshû and Kinai. If I have to die fighting, I will do it in either of these places. Throwing my life away needlessly, doing a last stand over some abortive expansion campaign, when I had much better options? I'll leave such ideas of honor and courage for the fools.

Ôtomo Sorin

Of course, Sorin. I am not a fool. We wasn't expecting you to die here, or if you somehow did, you would bring many of our warriors down with you, you dog. Is this why you supported the Isshiki? You wanted to keep me check, or you wanted to cause touble between our clans? Also, Is this why, when We was at war with Mori/Ukita, you didn't want my clan to take any of the Mori Lands? You wanted to take some, and give Lord Amako the others? You was going to try to get my Honourable ally Lord Amako to betray me then, after we deafeted them, correct? He would never do that. You, Otomo Sorin, I can't say much about.



Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

To Miyoshi and Yamana:

I don't have time or interest for this. You are free to speculate to your hearts content, and speak whatever ill of me you please. I will leave it to every man to make his own judgement, and save my strength for leading my forces into battle.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Wundai]

You guys don't even need Kage anymore to compile and summarize the stories

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Of course! But he writes good chapters though