Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History

**Kagemusha** · 05-21-2009, 19:44

To Otomo from Hojo,

I dont have anything against foreign influences in everyday life. But asking for foreign military aid is offering them influence over Japan. Should Shogun Ashikaga now call for support from China as he has diplomatic relationship with the Ming?

I am sure that he is not so foolish and can only hope that the Portuguese will respect their agreements with the bakufu and not heed words of rebels and subjugate first Kyushu and then the rest of Japan because you offer them chance to do that.

Hojo Ujiyasu

**Prince Cobra** · 05-21-2009, 19:53

Originally Posted by Kagemusha

To Otomo from Hojo,

I dont have anything against foreign influences in everyday life. But asking for foreign military aid is offering them influence over Japan. Should Shogun Ashikaga now call for support from China as he has diplomatic relationship with the Ming?

I am sure that he is not so foolish and can only hope that the Portuguese will respect their agreements with the bakufu and not heed words of rebels and subjugate first Kyushu and then the rest of Japan because you offer them chance to do that.

Hojo Ujiyasu

The Kanrei, as a member of the bakufu, would like to add that he hopes that the Portuguese are also wise enough not to interfere into the internal affairs of Nippon.

**Seign Thelas** · 05-21-2009, 20:11

The Magoichi of the Saika Monto would like to announce proudly that we stand by the Miyoshi in this conflict, and would like to point out to the Ishiyama Honganji if they have any negative feeling toward this decision, that although our sect is against the traditional ways of Japan, Otomo seems to be going for an even stronger warrior class, and they are the greater threat.

**AggonyDuck** · 05-21-2009, 20:17

I have meditated on the recent developments and arrived to the conclusion, that we have no other option, than to denounce our alliance with the Ôtomo and the Shimazu clans. I do not want to see foreigners play a part in this war nor do I want to see them have any influence over the politics of Japan. To add to the insult, you failed to even discuss with us, your eastern allies, your idea of inviting these greedy gaijin to support your endeavours. We did not even get a chance to stop you from perpetrating this rank stupidity. Our alliance is void from this moment forward. Your men with us will be given the chance to either join our forces or make their way back to Kyushu on their own.

Oda Nobunaga

**Prince Cobra** · 05-21-2009, 20:29

Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I have meditated on the recent developments and arrived to the conclusion, that we have no other option, than to denounce our alliance with the Ôtomo and the Shimazu clans. I do not want to see foreigners play a part in this war nor do I want to see them have any influence over the politics of Japan. To add to the insult, you failed to even discuss with us, your eastern allies, your idea of inviting these greedy gaijin to support your endeavours. We did not even get a chance to stop you from perpetrating this rank stupidity. Our alliance is void from this moment forward. Your men with us will be given the chance to either join our forces or make their way back to Kyushu on their own.

Oda Nobunaga

How can I be sure, Oda Nobunaga, that this is not one of the numerous tricks you have used so far. I won't be surprised if you have some secret deal with the same daimyo who so generously sponsored you and your allies.

The Kanrei

**Revolting Friendship** · 05-21-2009, 20:44

Why am I not surprised...

Ôtomo Sorin

**AggonyDuck** · 05-21-2009, 20:50

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

How can I be sure, Oda Nobunaga, that this is not one of the numerous tricks you have used so far. I won't be surprised if you have some secret deal with the same daimyo who so generously sponsored you and your allies.

The Kanrei

Seeing as I am still locked in mortal combat with you and like you have already stated, that this has gone too far to ever be resolved peacefully, what does it matter to me if you're sure or not? Does it change a thing in our relations? Unless you are willing to offer us a peace that satisfies us and our condition of continued independence, we will fight against you. As I have stated, I did not want this war with you, but the Oda clan will rather die than surrender our freedom.

Oda Nobunaga

**Prince Cobra** · 05-21-2009, 21:14

The synchronism between you and Otomo is obvious, Oda Nobunaga. You knew what kind of person Lord Otomo is when you accepted 10 000 koku in men and gold aid last year. Now you saw that you can not act in public because of the incompetence of Otomo and decided to declare this alliance as "void". I seriously doubt how sincere you are and I hope that not many people will believe you, rebel.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

**AggonyDuck** · 05-21-2009, 21:30

Originally Posted by Stephen Asen

The synchronism between you and Otomo is obvious, Oda Nobunaga. You knew what kind of person Lord Otomo is when you accepted 10 000 koku in men and gold aid last year. Now you saw that you can not act in public because of the incompetence of Otomo and decided to declare this alliance as "void". I seriously doubt how sincere you are and I hope that not many people will believe you, rebel.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

I did not foresee this act of weakness. I can tolerate a Christian daimyo, but one that begs for foreigners to join this war is a completely another matter and I can not call myself the ally of such a man. But as long as you persist with your hostilities against me and my remaining allies, I have little option but to fight you.

Oda Nobunaga

**Revolting Friendship** · 05-21-2009, 21:22

Then it will surely be death, Nobunaga. You and your tattered band of petty allies are helpless without my support. I strongly urge you to rethink your position.

Ôtomo Sorin

**Revolting Friendship** · 05-21-2009, 20:26

The Bakufu dishonored any agreements they had with the Portoguese when they decided to issue unprovoked edicts to persecute christians throughout Nippon. Furthermore, making alliances and asking for military support of foreigners is not by any means an odd or shameful occurrance. It is commonplace and I will not refrain from it simply because you make up silly reasons for why I should not.

Ôtomo Sorin