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    Default Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    I know their are higher ranks but I have never seen them. Has anyone else? I know its VERY VERY easy to get Very Untrustworthy though.
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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Budwise
    I know their are higher ranks but I have never seen them. Has anyone else? I know its VERY VERY easy to get Very Untrustworthy though.
    "Immaculate" is not impossible but be consequent during play. Don´t declare war especially towards factions of the same faith as you. Only occupy settlements. Never stroll around another factions territory. Lauch sucessful crusades/ jihads every 10 turns. The higher your rep gets the easier it is to get "prefect" relations with everyone.

    Played a game as the Turks a while back. My rep is immaculate, I´m allied with everyone except the Egyptians (still want to take them out). I´ve prefect relations with everyone, even the Pope. He still declare crusades on me but no one joins, he he! I´ve been at peace for over 70 years. Waiting and building up for the hordes arrival at the moment.

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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    I have been doing my best to keep high relations this time. I haven't declared war nor done anything you have mentioned. However, my ranking is really slow to advance higher than Reliable.

    I was allied with the pope with a perfect rating (playing a muslim faction) and most other factions and he called a crusade toward Jerusalem and now I am at war with everyone. Also, before the crusade being called almost everyone was reliable ranking or very reliable, at worst Mixed. Now, nobody has anything higher than mixed and most are untrustworthy.
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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    Quote Originally Posted by Budwise
    I have been doing my best to keep high relations this time. I haven't declared war nor done anything you have mentioned. However, my ranking is really slow to advance higher than Reliable.

    I was allied with the pope with a perfect rating (playing a muslim faction) and most other factions and he called a crusade toward Jerusalem and now I am at war with everyone. Also, before the crusade being called almost everyone was reliable ranking or very reliable, at worst Mixed. Now, nobody has anything higher than mixed and most are untrustworthy.
    Best impact to your ranking is launching jihads and sucessfully taking the target which you don´t have to keep, just give it away to someone you need to be at peace with for trade, buffer zone etc. You´ll be able to launch jihads every 10 turns so your rep will climb steadily as long as you don´t do the other bad things I told you about earlier.
    One neat trick that works pretty well is to pay everyone tribute for a long period of time. Offer them 100fl/ turn for 100 turns. Usually the´ll never attack you then.

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    On vh I never got above reliable. The normalisation is really hard on you.
    I have a nice game with about 10 allies atm so maybe I can manage it, but it's hard:

    The normalisation for allies is 1/400 to 1.0 while there's a normalisation of 1/200 to 0.0 in general each turn and 1/800 to -1.0 for each war.
    This translate to a change (if you don't do anything) of:

    a=a*199/200 at FactionTurnStart

    a=1/400 - a/400 for each ally

    a=-1/800 + a/800 for each opponent

    Let's calculate the ally formula:
    Let a be your global standing at turn start and n the number of allies
    Our function is: f: R->R: a |-> a*(1-1/400)+1/400
    So f(a)=a*399/400 + 1/400
    Plugging this in recursively, gives us f^2(a)=a*(399/400)^2+399/400^2+1/400

    Doing that a bit more often, we arrive at:
    a*(399/400)^n + sum k _from 0 to n-1_ (1/400*(399/400)^k)

    The sum term is the same for each a and only depends on n, and is nearly linear for small n (it's about n*1/400 because 399/400 is very close to 1)

    For those more deeply interested, here's a little table with the first 11 values:
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    n sum
    1 2.5e-3
    2 4.99e-3
    3 7.48e-3
    4 9.96e-3
    5 1.243e-2
    6 1.490e-2
    7 1.737e-2
    8 1.983e-2
    9 2.223e-2
    10 2.472e-2
    11 2.716e-2


    The rest term obviously depends on a, so if we assume a start of turn value of 0, a number of allies of 10, with no enemies, we arrive at a rough turn gain of a bit less than 1/40, or 0.0245
    The next turn, it'll be less; about 0.0240 resulting in a total of 0.0486
    If I continue like this, to get to 0.25 which is the very reliable threshold if I'm not mistaken, should take about 12 turns.
    However, if I break an alliance, have enemies or something it'll probably be far longer.

    By the way, theoretically I should be able to get even to Very Trustworthy which triggers at 0.6, but it'd take 43 turns without enemies or any affronts.

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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    I don't think I've ever been better than 'Dubious' and have given up trying. The AI doesn't give a tinker's damn for it's reputation; why should I worry over mine?


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    I've gotten to Very Reliable before.

    Usually as a northern/western european faction... So I have only a couple neighbors to make peace with and no Muslims or orthodox factions who hate me. Then I act like I am afraid of the world and bribe everyone until their treasury bursts.

    Bascially, you have to be a total pushover/suck-up to everyone.

    Not my style. Once I got their trust, I broke their spines over my knee and trampled over their remains. I don't mess around. I went from being beloved ally of all Europe to despised and feared ruler of the whole world in only a few short years of bloody conquest. Oh, the massacre...

    One bit of advice... don't trust anyone. The nicer people are, the more suspicious you should be. Approach every situation with caution and never lower your defenses. When it applies to this game anyway... which isn't too far off from real life.

    Don't believe me? Look at the businessmen and politicians. Life is nothing but constant war to them. That is why they are in power. They made war on you and won, and you didn't even realize it.
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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    That last post is exactly what I mean, you have to be a pushover to even be reliable. I'm not complaining because it kinda makes sense. I was just wondering though if anyone ever got higher. I am trying to be my best this time and not be a tyrant but so far, its been very slow to expand. I do own the Holy Lands though at this time.
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    Edit October 17th, 2007
    Work-Still hate it but I appreciate having it more now.
    Girlfriend - ? - looks like I am helping Nga now. Miss sex though.
    Responsibilities, Too many bills to too little money
    Reality - (Censored)
    Kids - My son is improving a little bit each day, still far behind but I may have more kids in the future.
    MTW - Kingdoms installed but...Urggg, too soon.
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    Conclusion, Life is worth Living now.

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    I got "Dubious" or something like that.. How good is that?!
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    Default Re: Reputation - has anyone ever had better than Very Trustworthy

    Dubious = bad.
    I played English and took control over the Isles with nothing but occupies, i did it so fast the Scottish didn´t manage to take anything and i allied them.
    I also took Rennes and Bordeaux and allied French.
    When scottish attacked me they got eventually excommunicated since i was only they could ever attack. So i took Edinburgh too...
    In France i was doing good, Allied Portugese and Spanish, Italian factions and HRE. Around turn 50 I was reliable and also held Jerusalem, Acre and Gaza (Jerusalem and Acre = crusades and Gaza by attack after taking Jerusalem)
    Ceasefired with Egyptians and allied later, they still hold it.
    At turn 50 i should control all France and so on, but i played slow and i have been reliable since turn 47... See how long it lasts.
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