Hardest Roman faction

[Greacia_Roma]

Personally i think its the scipii because carthage is hard to beat if they hav the right troops(elephants) and because they get the least amount of cities in africa and though egypt is rich it is hard to conquer. Whats your opinions?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Most definitely, early on, the Brutii. Greece may be rich, but phalanxes simply mow down pre-marian troops and pre-marian cavalry. Post-marian troops are better, so, later on, life is slightly easier for the Brutii and it gets even better after the trade of the Helenes is flowing into the coffers.

When you get into the later game, the title possibly belongs to the Scipii, that is, if you listen to the senate and go into Egypt from the South - definitely a wealthy and powerful foe. If you don't, then it may be even easier that the Brutii. Taking Crete and then going into Turkey is the route which I always take and this results in unimaginable wealth - enough to fuel stack after stack.

However, bear in mind, if the right path is taken, each Roman faction is as easy as the next one to manage and win as - afterall they do have equal abilities.

[Noir]

Just to add to the confusion: Julii overall - Carthage can be taken easily early on and after this Scipii coffers should be bending from the weight of gold - the Brutii early game is indeed hard as the Macedons/Greeks may provide resistance - however it is not more than the in-depth Gaulish resistance - or that of the Britons if they are steam rolling, and on top of this Greece makes you the richest faction in the game - while Gaul, Hispania and Germania give you barely a living.

The Julii have the most "interesting" post civil war start game IMO because of this, the other two factions can pretty much bribe their dominance after they beat the local challenge.

The Scipii can beat the Julii to Hispania and the Brutii to southern Greece at the same time after they conquer Carthage too, severely cutting them off - going into an offense against Egypt is not necessary for them.

Many Thanks

Noir

[guineawolf]

i agree with Omanes,Brutii are the best,coz:
temple of JUNO=increase population
temple of MARS=3 level of troops exp,plus 1 morale(that means +4 morale for Brutii legions,Brutii troops can fight even without a general)
temple of MERCURY=increase trade income

Brutii temple that make it very good at start of it's campaign..Set it's capitol at Athens will be very ???????


But 3 romans faction got it's specialty,:
Julii rely on leadership(Jupiter)
Brutii rely on troops training=exp(Mars)
Scipii rely on equipment(naval superiority=Neptune,better quality equipment=Saturn,Vulcan)


if the Brutii can get easterner faction to build SPN for it,then it will be very powerful(if not?it will be like strong pressure water pipe with greater leak),but for me i will still chose my favourite faction Scipii.

[Noir]

I thought who is the hardest (to play presumably) was the question Guineawolf?

[Stuperman]

and what is SPN?

I find it hard to classify any of the roman factions 'hard' once scipii have sicily they have it made, and peltasts own elephants.

the brutii have it made, maniples outmanouver phalanx's with ease, and get rich quick.

the Julii are probably the 'hardest' cause they have no military temples (although one gives strategist bonuses to generals) and relitively poor lands, but they also face the weakest enemies so it kinda balances out.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I, oddly, find the Julii the easiest. The Gallic disorganized troops are easily beaten back, especially post-marian, and, as with all factions, the world is practically your's after you own about thirty provinces - the wealth coming in is simply unrealistically enormous.

Also, like the almighty Scipii, they have a law temple to counteract corruption and unlawfulness in far way lands. This provides an empire which is rarely rebellious and is wealthier - unlike the Brutii who do not gain this luxury bonus. War temples, although are a nice option to have, are not, in my opinion, necessary when playing as Roman faction - post-Marian units are quite strong enough without any extra bonuses.

[guineawolf]

I thought who is the hardest (to play presumably) was the question Guineawolf?

the answer is the Brutii,coz for me i got no temple to prevent corruptiuon,even i can get more cash from mercury,but still can prevent more "water" loose form a broken pipe........of coz ,only at later game...for Julii,it just the direction they of,more money invested to get rid of culture penalty and low profit in it......always not enough Denarii to spend on both military and buildings,either you invested into new troops,or you just can build them all

and what is SPN?

Secret Police Network=SPN.

post-Marian units are quite strong enough without any extra bonuses.

i agree with that too,but even pre marian romans troops are oredi fit the job for me,except cavalry,the Forester and CAW will take them down easily.Get the principles(7 armor) oredi good enough as their 6 morale compare to hoplites 4 morale.........

Scipii, for reasons already mentioned. Brutii also tricky for above reasons, although I found less so.

Julii's fine temples,

Julii is good,i found each of their three temples quite useful,Jupiter=Leaderships,you will findout that your family members alwayscome out with starssss,and strategist to give command bonuses.Ceres=population growth,influence by Caeser 3,i think it should have farming output bonuses(increase farming income).
Then the Bacchus,yes it give bad traits,but it gives comedians=retinue(+1 morale for all troops at the battlefield).

For temple bonuses,i must say Brutii JUNO also give herbalist(10) mix with chirugen(15),that means it will heal 25(value give in files,percentage?perhaps?) of wounded troops,better health that increase your general's hitpoint,like In the rude health(+4 general's hitppoint) for example,it also prolonged FM(family members) ages(?).
Mercury gives master traders(traits) that gives 30% bonus for all trade income.....

[pockettank]

IMHO the julii are the hardest brutii have it kinda hard but still easier than julii and scipii can skip carthage go to greece/asia minor and pwn every1 before going to carthage all while keeping the brutii from expanding making an easy dead roman during civil war :D

EDIT:julii are hardest cuz they never get money :p and in my first campaign ever with them which im playing now (even as i play EB) they have very little economy i have about 100k while brutii have 150k+ and scipii have 200k+ and i have my taxes as high as i can put them without rebellion in each settelment and Macedonia is pwning every army i send at them =/ even with marian troops... idk how though besides i cant field enough due to poor economy

[guineawolf]

I thought who is the hardest (to play presumably) was the question Guineawolf?

oh,i think i am out of title,for me Julii are thehardest faction coz their expanding area so poor,even can't supply my building funds....
i though hardest=toughest.....

[Noir]

No problem guineawolf - thanks for the answer;

Many Thanks

Noir

[Graphic]

Scipii is the easiest. I can't remember but there's a combination of buildings that basically gives you 3 chevrons with bronze weapon and armor for new units. Combine that with Praetorians or something and no one really stands a chance.

[SSJVegetaTrunks]

Julii is the hardest in the long run. All they get are a bunch of crappy Barbarian cities. Scipii gets Carthage cities, Brutii gets Greece. Julii has easy enemies but horrible cities to take from them.

Of course, this is assuming they expand the way they're "supposed" to.

[Caius]

Of course, this is assuming they expand the way they're "supposed" to.

Want to have a different campaign? Conquer Lylibaeum as the Julii and the Scipii wont be so stronger.

[the greek]

its always good to steal other romans factions targets so when you have to fight them you have a stronghold in their lands or you could have stolen their chance of holding the other target they have example juli taking sicily and africa from the scipi

[IceWolf]

Yes indeed i took over Greece as the Julii and the Brutii never recovered and expanded anywhere else. That being said the Julii are the hardest because Gaul and Brittania own a buncha little barbarian mudhole towns.

IceWolf

[rvg]

Julii is the hardest in the long run. All they get are a bunch of crappy Barbarian cities. Scipii gets Carthage cities, Brutii gets Greece. Julii has easy enemies but horrible cities to take from them.

Of course, this is assuming they expand the way they're "supposed" to.

what he said.