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    Makedonios Ksanthopoulos Member Privateerkev's Avatar
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    Ansehelm, I must respectfully disagree.

    One gives 3 personal edicts. One gives 3 house edicts. These do not overlap. And the Crusader Counts have actually lost influence, not gained any. They have just gained edicts.


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    I am sure all theses irregualirities will be settled by the Emperor. However this may take some time, because first there are several things that need to be worked out concerning my status. The first voting is currently in progress, but I fear the Diet has given the Dukes enough power to call for a second run. As I have predicted the Reich is without Kaiser, and may continue to do so for quite some time. Alas, it was the wish of this Diet, so we must follow it through.
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    The King of Outremer is allowed to propose three Edicts
    The King of Outremer may propose up to 3 personal Edicts during each Diet session
    Now is that the same or not Jan?
    Would it be the same as Ducal it would have said:
    The Kingdom of Outremer is allowed to propose three Edicts


    Next to that concerning the Kaiser, this Diet has made many mistakes. First of all the will of Kaiser Jobst, any man loyal to the Reich would follow that. They who vote against Kaiser Siegfried are not loyal to the Reich.
    People who are not loyal to their country should be hung, banned atleast.

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    My dear Ansehelm,

    While I have clearly stated my loyalty to Kaiser Siegfried from the very beginning, I would balk at calling those who think differently, traitors. While Duke Arnold and I have had our differences, the man is a patriot. The Diet passed CA's and edicts regarding succession, some proposed by the Kaiser himself. I suggest we let them play out.

    As for CA's 11.3 and 11.4, you are not reading out the whole legislation. If you read the whole of both bills, it becomes clear that CA 11.3 provides for 3 house edicts and CA 11.4 provides for 3 personal edicts.


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    Count von Hamburg, the word 'house' does not appear anywhere in CA 11.3. Perhaps they were intended to be like House Edicts, but since the bill does not explicitly say so, that is not what they are.

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    Count Sigismund,

    I have had my lawyer look at these CA's and I agree with his interpretation. Since 11.3 says that the three edicts need pre-approval by Crusaders, they are the equivalent of Ducal House edicts. 11.4 gives the King three personal edicts because he has no access to Bavarian house edicts. Now, I am not saying I like this situation. I am not the one that voted for both CA's. But, they are both law of the land now and must be followed. Come the next Diet session, people can propose a CA that nulls one of the others.


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    Conrad Salier:

    If Chancellor Steffin does his work well, I doubt that seven edicts will be needed to steer Outremer in the right direction.
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    Actually my King,

    We have access to a potential of 24 edicts. 6 personal edicts plus 12 house edicts plus 3 Outremer edicts plus 3 King edicts. Now, the actual number will end up being far less but that is the potential.


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