Car Crashes Into Glasgow Airport

[InsaneApache]

I dunno, hitting John Lennon airport might be seen as doing the nation a favour.

Mindst you, they'd have to quick to get that merc past the scousers!

[Pannonian]

I dunno, hitting John Lennon airport might be seen as doing the nation a favour.

Mindst you, they'd have to quick to get that merc past the scousers!

They can still manually push the merc into the building if the chromes disappeared while they were looking the other way. Of course, if they started their journey in Essex, their stereo would have been nicked even before they came within range of the scousers. Actually, since such a journey covers such a distance, are we certain the car burst into flames as it was approaching Glasgow airport? I'd have thought the mancunians would have set it alight long before it crossed the border.

[JR-]

lol

[Louis VI the Fat]

You tell 'em, Tony!

Blair launches stinging attack on 'absurd' British Islamists

Tony Blair has launched a powerful attack on 'absurd' British Islamists who have nurtured a false 'sense of grievance' that they are being oppressed by Britain and the United States.
In his most outspoken remarks on Islamists, the former Prime Minister warns that Britain is in danger of losing the battle against terrorists unless mainstream society confronts the threat.

Blair's remarks, in which he also attacks some civil liberty campaigners as 'loopy loo', were made in a Channel 4 documentary recorded last Tuesday on the eve of his departure from Downing Street.

'The idea that as a Muslim in this country that you don't have the freedom to express your religion or your views, I mean you've got far more freedom in this country than you do in most Muslim countries,' Blair told Observer columnist Will Hutton, who presents the documentary.
'The reason we are finding it hard to win this battle is that we're not actually fighting it properly. We're not actually standing up to these people and saying, "It's not just your methods that are wrong, your ideas are absurd. Nobody is oppressing you. Your sense of grievance isn't justified."'

[Watchman]

Gotta wonder why claims by the dominant majority that no ostracization of minorities exist, rarely seem to find too much support among those selfsame minorities though...

[Duke Malcolm]

I was damned disappointed today. A friend an I were going to visit HMS Exeter docked at the King George V Wharf in Dundee Port, only to find it was close for security after this Glasgow business! Psh!

[Husar]

Gotta wonder why claims by the dominant majority that no ostracization of minorities exist, rarely seem to find too much support among those selfsame minorities though...

Gotta wonder how many people are happy with their current situation in general to put that into perspective.(and I don't know any numbers, just saying)

[Watchman]

When you get some trying to blow stuff/people up (or otherwise engage in acts of violence) it tends to be an unmistakable sign that something gives somewhere. No smoke without fire, as it were.

[PanzerJaeger]

When you get some trying to blow stuff/people up (or otherwise engage in acts of violence) it tends to be an unmistakable sign that something gives somewhere. No smoke without fire, as it were.

Maybe its because these Islamists are convincing muslim immigrants that they are downtrodden not because they are poor, unassimilated, unskilled and often times not even fluent, but because Western society is keeping them down.

[Watchman]

Yes, of course. It's always those people at fault, not us. Sorry. How could I forget.

So not. That's not how an audience responsive to extremist agitation comes into existence.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well what would you have us do? We translate documents into Arabic, allow Muslims schools, unheard of a decade ago, Muslim Community Centres, The Muslim Council of Great Britain.

We don't require that you know English before entering the country and I think I'm right in saying you can still bring over all your dependants.

The reason we have problems is because of the speed with which this is happening, a cultural group totally unlike the indiginour population is immigrating en masse and as a result ghetto communities without real links to outside Britain have sprung up.

Inside those communities the extremists can raise hell and point to "them" outside.

What we need is immigration control.

[Watchman]

What you need is real integration. Official policies help but sort of don't cut it if the consensus among Joe and Jane Averages is alla Fragony.

'Course, Western societies are kinda hip deep in **** Creek without a paddle themselves, what with all this globalization stuff and socioeconimic changes, so it's not terribly surprising the immigrants get handed the wrong end of the stick in the process.

[Don Corleone]

What you need is real integration. Official policies help but sort of don't cut it if the consensus among Joe and Jane Averages is alla Fragony.

'Course, Western societies are kinda hip deep in **** Creek without a paddle themselves, what with all this globalization stuff and socioeconimic changes, so it's not terribly surprising the immigrants get handed the wrong end of the stick in the process.

You've got to be kidding me. Britain bends over backwards to accommodate a people that have made it blatantly clear that they have no intention of ever integrating, and you blame it on the prejudicial views of the average middle classer? Oh, he hurt my feelings... he doesn't speak Arabic and he laughs about us down at the pub.... Maybe i need to epxress my outrage with a car bomb... Give me a freaking break.

Reality check...

Zak, why don't you try not spinning for once. I'm watching the same news you are and other than the usual "special report" (translation, the news department is getting a bonanza and preempting coverage) it's actually been pretty quiet. Maybe you're wetting your drawers, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.

And of course, it must be George W Bush again.. God, you with the half-baked conspiracy theories (actually, your proclamations need to come a long way to aspire to being half-baked).

While we're at it, which is it? The US press always takes it in the shorts for not covering events in other countries very well, then when they do, you have us all waving the white flag and panicking like a bunch of little girls.

Sorry gang, Zak's just sucking up to you and telling you what you want to hear so you'll like him better. News of the panic attacks gripping America at large are greatly exaggerated.

[Devastatin Dave]

Oh, this was done by muslims? Huh, really? Unbelievable.

[Tribesman]

Oh, this was done by muslims? Huh, really? Unbelievable.

Hey dave look on the bright side , it makes a nice change from having republicans and white supremacists bombing Britain doesn't it , you need a bit of variety in life eh .

[lancelot]

You've got to be kidding me. Britain bends over backwards to accommodate a people that have made it blatantly clear that they have no intention of ever integrating, and you blame it on the prejudicial views of the average middle classer? Oh, he hurt my feelings... he doesn't speak Arabic and he laughs about us down at the pub.... Maybe i need to epxress my outrage with a car bomb... Give me a freaking break.

Reality check...

Agree completely.

Latest news-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6261076.stm

Tv news just reported one of the drivers was a doctor.

This worries me deeply...now we have fundementalist doctors...people who have taken an oath to do no harm. Makes you wonder if they wont ''acidentally'' be making a few mistakes here and there when treating people...

The muslim extreme wont be happy until some nut job party gets into power and starts removing people from their homes at night...that is the only thing car bombs and such is going to achieve...

As to the people who they have in custody already...if they are found guilty they should hang...send a message to these a-holes that Britain (especially the public) wont tolerate this kind of crap.

I wouldnt even mind so much if these bombers had the balls to target military facilities or other state apparatus but oh no we'll go for the nightclub...how heroic...

[Watchman]

I have certain problems understanding the idea of capital punishement serving as a deterrent to would-be suicide bombers (like the Glasgow idiots apparently were). Kind of like having attempted suicide punishable by death, in the peculiar manner of some legislations of bygone times...

Sounds more like knee-jerk petty vindictiveness to me.

[Zaknafien]

you must not watch Fox... lol

[Watchman]

I don't have a TV. And even if I did, can you imagine someone with a worldview like mine wasting his time with Fox ? Now that'd be the day...

[Don Corleone]

I don't have a TV. And even if I did, can you imagine someone with a worldview like mine wasting his time with Fox ? Now that'd be the day...

I believe he was addressing his remark to me, when I said I hadn't seen a nation of bedwetters panicking and shrieking in terror like he described in the thread earlier. As I said, I strongly suspect Zak said that because it plays well, not because it's accurate.

[Watchman]

Possible, but without a quote it's difficult to tell you know ?

[Don Corleone]

Possible, but without a quote it's difficult to tell you know ?

Amen.

[lancelot]

I have certain problems understanding the idea of capital punishement serving as a deterrent to would-be suicide bombers (like the Glasgow idiots apparently were). Kind of like having attempted suicide punishable by death, in the peculiar manner of some legislations of bygone times...

Sounds more like knee-jerk petty vindictiveness to me.

Death however would be a very good deterrent to the failed suicide bomber who will get out of jail (short of life imprisonment actually meaning life) perhaps to try again or teach/finance/supply others or lord knows what other warm and cuddely acts.

Added bonus of not having to feed and keep the scum too.

[Watchman]

Out of curiosity, IRA terrorists and such weren't executed either were they ? Even the ones who succeeded in blowing people up...

Is it just me, or is there a whiff of dividing people into Us and Them Subhuman Raghead Scum in the air around such populist demands...?

[Tribesman]

Out of curiosity, IRA terrorists and such weren't executed either were they ?

Wierd world isn't it , back in the days when they had the death penaltythey executed a bunch of muppets who had very little popular support and magicly turned them into really popular "heroes"
Well there was lots of talk about bringing back the death penalty specialy for the terrorists , you know for things like bombing airportrs trainstations shops officeblocks and all that , really lots of calls for it to be brought back when they blow up pubs and stuff , luckily they didn't because they had a habit of getting dodgy convictions against the wrong people , but hey they was Irish so they must have been one of those people right .
Something really wierd happened in the end though , they talked to the murderers and the bombing stopped .
Strange eh

[Watchman]

You've got to be kidding me. Britain bends over backwards to accommodate a people that have made it blatantly clear that they have no intention of ever integrating, and you blame it on the prejudicial views of the average middle classer? Oh, he hurt my feelings... he doesn't speak Arabic and he laughs about us down at the pub.... Maybe i need to epxress my outrage with a car bomb... Give me a freaking break.

Reality check...

Well-meaning official policies aren't worth a badly drawn four-dollar bill if the practical reality is prejudice and ostracization in daily life. People only learn to be with people if they are with people, and that goes for immigrants in a new land just as much as growing kids. Poor sods already have their platters full dealing with culture shock, language barrier and trying to get a life started; getting welcomed with thinly veiled (if not open) hostility doesn't exactly encourage anyone to try to "fit in" so to speak, but instead encourages them to turn inwards towards their own "peer-group". Unemployement (which already plagues the natives who don't have the additional handicaps immigrants and "foreigners" have to deal with on the job market), poverty and ghettoisation only heighten the effects, doubly so as the natives tend to have a bad tendency to avoid moving into the same neighbourhoods. Throw in the extra problems of the younger generations and post-11/9 discrimination, and you've got one damn toxic soup ready for serving.

People make their own decisions in life certainly, but they do not make them in a void. They make them on the basis of interaction with their surroundings and their personal history, and a sense of aliention and general malaise has ever been a fertile ground for extremist agitation everywhere; most particularly among angry young men. Whether it manifests as unarticulated, pointless disturbance, such as gang violence and petty crime, or takes more severe and organized forms, such as militant radicalism for one "higher cause" or another (think Bader-Meinhof and similar groups, or the street-level following of both the extreme Right and Left between the World Wars for classic examples), or leads the individual to seek spiritual salvation in weird fringe cults, some combination of the above or something entirely different, of course depends on the indivudual and his circumstances. But the point is such vague unease and sense of embitterement will out, one way or another. First it of course appears in for some reason particularly troubled, bitter and/or unstable individuals; God forbid the discontent reach the level of popular mobilization...

And of course when the brown stuff hits the fan the intolerant, whose attitudes have greatly contributed to the emergence of the problem in the first place, then starg piously exclaiming how much we have done for them and how dreafully uncooperative and demanding they are and didn't we say so and...

Kinda like Bush apologists who first cheer the Iraq cluster**** to the point of no return, and then haughtily demand the naysayers (whom they have thus far variously ignored or insulted) come up with better ideas after they've themselves sent the whole thing to Hell in a handbasket.

We don't require that you know English before entering the country...

Fair enough, but do you require they learn it afterwards ? If not, that's probably a bad idea - immigrant minorities are prone enough to introvercy in the face of culture shock (and the nigh-invariable cold shoulder of the natives) already without the language barrier...

[ShadesPanther]

Out of curiosity, IRA terrorists and such weren't executed either were they ? Even the ones who succeeded in blowing people up...

Is it just me, or is there a whiff of dividing people into Us and Them Subhuman Raghead Scum in the air around such populist demands...?

The really sad thing is quite a few are in Northern Ireland's Government through Sinn Fein.

Every terrorist of either side was released through the Good Friday agreement, though some are back in because they are bad little boys but thats only a tiny minority.

[Slyspy]

Is it a really a sad thing?

[Watchman]

Dunno about you, but I have no problem with onetime militant radicals settling down and pursuing their aims through legal nonviolent political channels in their old days. Or would you prefer they were still building bombs in some basement somewhere, perhaps ?

[Papewaio]

Well-meaning official policies aren't worth a badly drawn four-dollar bill if the practical reality is prejudice and ostracization in daily life. People only learn to be with people if they are with people, and that goes for immigrants in a new land just as much as growing kids. Poor sods already have their platters full dealing with culture shock, language barrier and trying to get a life started; getting welcomed with thinly veiled (if not open) hostility doesn't exactly encourage anyone to try to "fit in" so to speak, but instead encourages them to turn inwards towards their own "peer-group". Unemployement (which already plagues the natives who don't have the additional handicaps immigrants and "foreigners" have to deal with on the job market), poverty and ghettoisation only heighten the effects, doubly so as the natives tend to have a bad tendency to avoid moving into the same neighbourhoods. Throw in the extra problems of the younger generations and post-11/9 discrimination, and you've got one damn toxic soup ready for serving.

I think you are assuming all the would be terrorists are of the brown shirt category... I think some are more educated and deadly and what I term the black shirts... such as the average education level of the 9/11 bomber, Osama himself (hardly dirt poor and uneducated) ...Surgeons are not on the whole poorly educated either, or destined to have a poor bank account either. So we can't just say it is poverty that is doing it as a lot of the terrorists aren't poor. Also some of them are married and have children too so its not like they don't have something better to liver for.

And if unemployment is the reason for some why didn't we see the whole of the north of England have an uprising with the massive unemployment when the steel industry collapsed.

Nor can you blame immigration when some of the guys have only recently turned up and by looks of it solely for one thing, to kill other people in the name of some meme suite.

At some point personal responsibility has to be taken for ones actions.