Whites are Smarter than Blacks

[DemonArchangel]

There are genius' and dummies in all races but the average intelligence and ability to progress of some races are higher than others.

Of course. Get back to sucking pork rinds and driving a decaying muscle car you honky.

There. Controversy.

[HoreTore]

Its not about being better its about being different. If there were no such thing as diffrences there would be less Jewish scientists and more jewish sports stars and vice versa

Why does it have to be genetic? Why couldn't it be social?

[Strike For The South]

Why does it have to be genetic? Why couldn't it be social?

Becuase everone dreams of being a sports star when they grow up. So why is it that the majority are black? Do black people have some sort of sports playing culture of which I am unawre?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

All races are equally stupid. Besides the only race I know of is the Human one.

[Ironside]

Becuase everone dreams of being a sports star when they grow up. So why is it that the majority are black? Do black people have some sort of sports playing culture of which I am unawre?

From what I've gathered from American popular culture, then yes. If everyone plays the same sport and it's considered as a good way out of the poor neighbourhood, you'll have tilted numbers of the elite performers (think of what sports that are dominated by blacks).

Or are the Brazilians genetically superior on soccer?

Although sprint is an interesting sport in this aspect, because I'm not sure how the numbers of practititioners are compared to the upper elite.

As for the subject at hand, and genetical dispersion between large populations are so small that the cultural backround has a considerble more influence. So taliking about it in the way of race is folly, hampering, damaging and doesn't really have any benefits.

[Kuni]

in other news, the concept of dividing the human species into races have long since been rejected by mainstream scientists.

[Tribesman]

If there were no such thing as diffrences there would be less Jewish scientists and more jewish sports stars and vice versa

Now strike you made me laugh , there was this film once that got them oscar thingies ,a great monologue by an actor playing a Jewish scientist was contained thererin .
So gentlemen can we come to an agreement......Can he be Jewish and a scientist at the same time ?(it applies to all faiths)

[John86]

Its a cultural thing. In America, blacks cultural holds them back.

[Strike For The South]

Why was France's wrold cup team all black? Why are east asians disproporanant in advanced maths? Why? More whites are in poverty than blacks why arent as many poor whites playing pro sports? Why are ALL the top sprinters black? Why are all the top powerlifters from nordic or baltic countries? We arent all the same. We are all different

[Tribesman]

We arent all the same. We are all different

We are all individuals , just like everyone else

[Strike For The South]

We are all individuals , just like everyone else

well yea but tis stupid to say race doesnt matter. Why are some dieases more prevlant in jews than whites or blacks than asians? Just becuase were different does not mean one is better. Prove me wrong.

[Tribesman]

Prove me wrong.

[Strike For The South]

or you could do that

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why was France's wrold cup team all black? Why are east asians disproporanant in advanced maths? Why? More whites are in poverty than blacks why arent as many poor whites playing pro sports? Why are ALL the top sprinters black? Why are all the top powerlifters from nordic or baltic countries? We arent all the same. We are all different

The most striking example of this is long-distance running. Of the world's top twenty marathon runners, twelve belong to the same small tribe from Kenya.

Genes for long-distance running?

The Kalenjin tribe lives in a province in the northwest of Kenya. Astonishingly, 12 of the world's top-20 distance runners are Kalenjin. Their seemingly effortless victories in some marathons have sparked off a passionate debate about genetic advantage in long-distance running.

Linky.

[Papewaio]

I think the issue is that with most things the variance within a group is far larger then the variance between groups.

[Fragony]

Who cares. More interesting, quite unlike the popular(especially among blacks) believes white males have larger penises.

[Duke John]

I think the issue is that with most things the variance within a group is far larger then the variance between groups.

Good point, but assuming that we're only interested in an average then I wouldn't be suprised if there some difference, however small. But worthless because of said variance.

Perhaps africans have in their skull less brain and more cooling fluid to avoid getting overheated with all that sun in the desert. And since the true religion, Christianity, started with mediterrenean people I would suspect that they would be the smartest. After all, only the foolish would deviate from the path to salvation.

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[Ironside]

The most striking example of this is long-distance running. Of the world's top twenty marathon runners, twelve belong to the same small tribe from Kenya.

Linky.

Trying to salvage the conflict you hoped for in the thread Louis? Yes, it's possible to have genetical differences in all traits, but there isn't any place were intelligence has been in focus and small groups has the potential of larger anomalies than large groups (that will average out).

Why was France's wrold cup team all black?

Why aren't the Brazilian one all black?

Why are east asians disproporanant in advanced maths? Why? More whites are in poverty than blacks why arent as many poor whites playing pro sports? Why are ALL the top sprinters black? Why are all the top powerlifters from nordic or baltic countries? We arent all the same. We are all different

As for the poor whites, I'm only speculating but there could be a stronger thought among the poor whites that you can go through with education and thus haven't gotten as much focus on sports. White men can't jump in the US but they can in Europe, something that doesn't make sence genetically.

The more important point is this though. Say that there's a fact that there's one group of people who's upper elite are smarter than the rest (proven genetically).
Now what to do with this information? Only focus on this group for higher education? You'll loose out the brilliant minds from the rest. Are the group "spikier" than the others, like left-handedness (more intelligent people and more mentally disabled than the average population)? Is it then good to shift the average, when the average are in fact the same?
Are the best of the best always needed in intelligence, or are good (+"common" sence) most often enough (clearly unlike sports)?

Simply put, as long as the induvidual differences are much larger that the group, focusing on the groups differences are irrelevant, while focusing on the induviduals are highly relevant.

[macsen rufus]

Perhaps africans have in their skull less brain and more cooling fluid to avoid getting overheated with all that sun in the desert. And since the true religion, Christianity, started with mediterrenean people I would suspect that they would be the smartest. After all, only the foolish would deviate from the path to salvation.

Either I missed a smiley, or someone has a private wormhole back to the 19th century....

... but if you really want to go there, well check out the theory that the "true religion" is that of Yahweh's chosen people - the Israelites - who were a black people before being ousted from their place by the Ashkenazim (Khazar descent) and Sephardim (Edomite descent). http://www.hebrewisraelites.org It's all backed up by scripture....


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[doc_bean]

I think the issue is that with most things the variance within a group is far larger then the variance between groups.

My thoughts exactly, it's hard to debate since we don't specify what we are talking about: modus, average, median, quantiles ? Or what threshold to use as 'significant'. Or how this 'intelligence' thing is supposed to be measured.

Genes matter when it comes to intelligence, but no race has a monopoly on the 'smart genes'.

[Dave1984]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6223968.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6150042.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6176070.stm

Which all helps prove nothing, except don't be a boy in a British school.

[Devastatin Dave]

False...
First, who's "white" and who's "black"? There is too much mixing to use the descriptions. You also have to consider the economic background and home life background of the students. If you look at the US, by percentage, many more black children come from broken homes and poverty as compared to "white" households. But at the same time, you can go to the Appalacians and meet some whites up there that are still trying to figure out how many angels can sit on a needle point or how old the tortise is that is carrying the earth on his back. Anyway, its not a race issue because there are just too many factors that figure into how well someone does in school. Now I'll tell you this, the bruthas have us crackers on the pecker size. I was in basic training and them homies be packin'!!! Shu nuff....

[Spino]

True.

And the same studies that show whites as being smarter than blacks also show Asians, or rather east Asians, as being smarter than whites. I really don't see the big deal here. It's not as if there's some grand conspiracy peddling this stuff. The usual diatribe coming from the rabidly pro-environmental determinism crowd decries such research as being fascist in nature, funded by neo-nazi groups, etc. I really need to know why such groups would fund research that ultimately smashes their racial supremacy views into dust? Are we the unknowing victims of an international Oriental conspiracy? Should the Occident rise up in revolution and defeat our epicanthic overlords?

It's amazing how uncomfortable the subject of intelligence makes people. Only rabid fans of environmental determinism would fail to acknowledge that blacks are, racially speaking, the 'fastest' or most 'naturally athletic' race on the planet. The evidence is hard to overlook, countless examples in professional sports seem to support that argument. If it is not genetically related then what... they train harder than everyone else?!? Even if that was the case the law of averages would still show a healthy sampling of non-black athletes making the top cut but it doesn't. Also take note of the dearth of east Asian athletes failing to make a dent in the top tiers of the same sports that blacks excel in... I'm supposed to believe that places like Japan, China and South Korea are incapable of producing disciplined, well trained athletes that can excel in speed oriented sports?!? Anyway there was a time when the notion that blacks were faster or more athletically gifted than everyone else was extremely unpopular. However thanks to the highly meritocratic nature of sports, especially over the last 30-40 years, the evidence stares back at us with countless broken records and the sheer dominance by athletes of sub-Saharan African ancestry. We've reached the point where most people are perfectly comfortable with the notion that blacks are expected to dominate in certain sports. In that same time frame a similar level of meritocracy has existed in the academic and professional arenas of the west (especially the US) and for some reason people are still quick to dismiss the academic and socio-economic performance of Jews and East Asians as being related to genetic based intelligence. Upbringing and work ethic always seem to be the buzz words and yet nobody has actually shown how these factors can turn mediocrity into genius, let alone give someone a 10-15 point advantage in IQ. No race or ethnic group may hold a 'monopoly' on genes responsible for intelligence but there does seem to be evidence that some ethnic groups or races have these genes in greater abundance than others.

STFS made an interesting point about the relative intelligence of Jews and how their academic performance must be genetically related. Oddly enough a year or so ago a highly controversial and fascinating article was published in New York magazine titled "The Jewish Brain" (Larry David's prominent balding cranium was featured on the cover) dealt with this exact subject.

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/culture/features/1478/

As with blacks and athletics it's a bit much to insist that every Ashkenazi Jewish scholar, scientist or mathematician of note was a success due to boundless ambition, an unequalled work ethic or an ideal family atmosphere. Jews account for a mere 0.25 percent of the world population and 3 percent of the US population and yet they account for 27 percent of all American Nobel Prize winners, 25 percent of all ACM Turing Award winners for computer science and 50 percent of the world's chess champions. It really is a bit much to think that environment is the main factor at work here.

The idea of genetic equality amongst individuals, ethnic groups or races is truly ridiculous. Arguing over the definition of race or ethnicity and attempting to intellectualize those terms to some unwieldy abstraction smacks of subconscious fuelled fear. Why aren't we seeing these same sort of arguments taking place in professional sports? How do we define fast? How does one accurately measure testosterone levels? What are the criteria for determining short or long muscle strands? Etc., etc. The crux of the problem is that intelligence is a sore spot with most people and is a topic few people discuss as openly as physicality. The idea that everyone has the same genetic potential as everyone else flies in the face of the laws of nature (if it were the case then we'd be a species of monozygote siblings or clones) so why shouldn't it apply to groups that have a higher percentage of shared genes than others? The idea that intelligence can be considered a distinct and seperate category from any other physical trait is in itself a feat of fear fuelled egotism.

Oh to have a time machine to play with! I firmly believe that a day will come where every aspect of the human animal is going to laid bare, dissected and categorized to the extreme. I wonder what kind of chuckles future generations are going to have when they look back at our ego fueled delusions about our own species.

[Husar]

Education isn't as much about intelligence thant it is about learning, you are supposed to sit around and read and learn and read and learn and read and...
Well, I'm not good at that, maybe because my parents didn't make me work as a kid, maybe not. My guess is that it's a cultural thing, Asians work a lot and have that somehow in their culture, so they are better at school, whites are somewhere in the middle and people from hot very countries where work is a lot harder are maybe less used to working hard(and their kids kind of learn that from their parents after they moved to another country I guess).

That's just my theory, I blame culture and circumstances and it's just an explanation for how people do in school(which might explain certain studies), intelligence is probably very similar on average.

[BigTex]

I can remember my first dog a rot/german sheperd mix. Dumb as a brick, scared of it's own shadow and could barely figure out catch. Stronger and faster then most dogs I've seen. I know own a Labrador retriever, smartest little thing I've seen. She doesnt play fetch she'll play catch, can nearly unlock a door deadbolted if she could grip the doorknob better.

Humans just like dogs are not the same. If you've ever looked at the average hieght of black people to asians there's a fair bit of seperation there. Genetics arent equal, not everyone is equally intelligent not everyone can clean jerk 300lb's, not everyone can run a mile in under 4 minutes. Sure there's a bit of training and parenting involved but genetics plays a part, nature and nurture play into effect.

Education isn't as much about intelligence thant it is about learning, you are supposed to sit around and read and learn and read and learn and read and...

But IQ numbers arent effected by education. The smartest person I've met, didn't even make it through high school. Could rebuild a car's engine by the age of 14. He was working in an auto shop at 16. Anything mechanical or electrical you gave him he could take apart and rebuild/fix.

[KafirChobee]

Only a few things make one humanbeing excell over another - practice, practice, practice and/or study, study, study. Since the genes of mankind are +99.9% identical - it leaves that 0.10% that determines the cosmetic make-up of whom we are.

Cultural differences seperate us more than race. imo

In Florida, we have a small town that produces an unproptionately high degree of excellent atheletes (mostly football, but a number basketballers as well). There was a buncha racial hooplah about it a number of years ago - "they excell, because of their former slave masters' breeding programs" and such. When one visits this town on any given non-school day the cause becomes more evident - these kids work like hell to be the best they can be in sports and have some excellent coaches (that are ignored for their tallents, by colleges, because of race). I've seen these kids running up and down the emergency dikes outside their town - without supervision, to get an edge. They are hungry to suceed - and the hungriest do.

Self motivation wins ever time, and it has little to do with race.

[Strike For The South]

Only a few things make one humanbeing excell over another - practice, practice, practice and/or study, study, study. Since the genes of mankind are +99.9% identical - it leaves that 0.10% that determines the cosmetic make-up of whom we are.

Cultural differences seperate us more than race. imo

In Florida, we have a small town that produces an unproptionately high degree of excellent atheletes (mostly football, but a number basketballers as well). There was a buncha racial hooplah about it a number of years ago - "they excell, because of their former slave masters' breeding programs" and such. When one visits this town on any given non-school day the cause becomes more evident - these kids work like hell to be the best they can be in sports and have some excellent coaches (that are ignored for their tallents, by colleges, because of race). I've seen these kids running up and down the emergency dikes outside their town - without supervision, to get an edge. They are hungry to suceed - and the hungriest do.

Self motivation wins ever time, and it has little to do with race.

and you dont think other kids work just as hard or even harder?

[HoreTore]

Why are some dieases more prevlant in jews than whites or blacks than asians?

Uhm....that's due to social/cultural/continent differences. Where one disease is common, the people there get resistant to it(eventually). Release said disease on another part of the world, and you'll have the black plague all over again.

[Reverend Joe]

please... tell me you got the golf shoes!

[Spino]

Uhm....that's due to social/cultural/continent differences. Where one disease is common, the people there get resistant to it(eventually). Release said disease on another part of the world, and you'll have the black plague all over again.

I think SFTS was referring to hereditary diseases, not the infectious kind. The article I linked to covered this as well. Because of cultural isolation and inbreeding Jews are much more likely to suffer from Gaucher, Niemann-Pick, mucolipidosis type IV, and Tay-Sachs diseases than any other ethnic group. The research covered by this article theorizes that the same inbreeding which allowed such diseases to become widespread in the Ashkenazi population also allowed the spread of those genes responsible for intelligence.

I can remember my first dog a rot/german sheperd mix. Dumb as a brick, scared of it's own shadow and could barely figure out catch. Stronger and faster then most dogs I've seen. I know own a Labrador retriever, smartest little thing I've seen. She doesnt play fetch she'll play catch, can nearly unlock a door deadbolted if she could grip the doorknob better.

Humans just like dogs are not the same. If you've ever looked at the average hieght of black people to asians there's a fair bit of seperation there. Genetics arent equal, not everyone is equally intelligent not everyone can clean jerk 300lb's, not everyone can run a mile in under 4 minutes. Sure there's a bit of training and parenting involved but genetics plays a part, nature and nurture play into effect.

This is a sensible argument but the naysayers will cite the fact that the average breed of canine has less in common with other breeds than the average ethnic group or race has with one another. It doesn't negate the argument but spins it in such a way as to discredit the analogy. I have yet to see concrete numbers on the canine breeds that are the fewest generations apart versus the ones that are the farthest from one another.

But IQ numbers arent effected by education. The smartest person I've met, didn't even make it through high school. Could rebuild a car's engine by the age of 14. He was working in an auto shop at 16. Anything mechanical or electrical you gave him he could take apart and rebuild/fix.

I had a childhood friend who was naturally gifted and way above average in terms of intelligence. His family was of Greek & Jewish ancestry. Brilliant? Not sure but both he and his brother (and to a lesser extent his sister) were way above average and were attending select NY public schools meant for students at the upper end of the Bell Curve (Stuyvesant and Hunter). Their family atmosphere was ridiculously lax compared to mine, I certainly saw no evidence to support any kind of discipline regarding study habits or relevant practices. In fact I could say theirs was a very casual and dysfunctional family.