Athenian hoplites

**dbarger58** · 07-11-2007, 18:00

of course i have to say great mod, is there any plans for an athenian hoplite or some kind of greek phalanx in the future

**Krusader** · 07-11-2007, 18:02

Atm only Syracusan.

**Ludens** · 07-11-2007, 20:16

Since Iphikrates was an Athenian general, I'd imagine that Athenian hoplites would be Iphikratean hoplites.

Thanks for that little snippet, Krusader. Is there still any chance of a KH-phalanx reform, or has that suggestion finally been rejected?

**Krusader** · 07-11-2007, 22:19

Originally Posted by Ludens

Since Iphikrates was an Athenian general, I'd imagine that Athenian hoplites would be Iphikratean hoplites.

Thanks for that little snippet, Krusader. Is there still any chance of a KH-phalanx reform, or has that suggestion finally been rejected?

Well the Iphikratean reforms weren't still embraced as much by all. Plus as we only have so and so many unit spaces we have to be conservative so you can't expect many hoplite units from different regions, unless they were equipped differently or used different tactics (like Syrakosios Hoplitai

)

As for reforms, if you mean pikemen...don't know.

**paullus** · 07-12-2007, 04:55

haven't we previewed something along these lines...?

**dbarger58** · 07-13-2007, 21:07

The is, any idea way i can find it, thx

**-Praetor-** · 07-13-2007, 22:54

Originally Posted by Krusader

Plus as we only have so and so many unit spaces we have to be conservative so you can't expect many hoplite units from different regions, unless they were equipped differently or used different tactics (like Syrakosios Hoplitai

)

Or like the massaliotai hoplitai.

**Kralizec** · 07-15-2007, 18:03

Out of curiosity, what distinguished the Syracusan hoplites from other ones in the EB timeframe? Some hundred and fifty years earlier in the Peloponnesian war they seemed to have been pretty lousy, allthough they had good cavalry by contemporary standards.

**Lysander13** · 07-15-2007, 20:13

For personal use only...You could always add the Athenian Hoplites from RTR Platinum. They sure look sweet fighting alongside the Spartiate.

**Tellos Athenaios** · 07-15-2007, 21:08

Originally Posted by Kralizec

Out of curiosity, what distinguished the Syracusan hoplites from other ones in the EB timeframe? Some hundred and fifty years earlier in the Peloponnesian war they seemed to have been pretty lousy, allthough they had good cavalry by contemporary standards.

Syrakousai has THE largest military of all independent poleis in EB's timeframe. Their Hoplites have evolved somewhat differently from other hoplite, thanks to the wars with their main enemy (Carthage).

**Kepper** · 07-15-2007, 21:11

Is possible to put the Syracusan hoplites in the next preview, for the fans to si this new unit.

**russia almighty** · 07-15-2007, 23:05

What is the difference then ? Do they chuck a javelin before charging ?

**Foot** · 07-15-2007, 23:10

Originally Posted by Kepper

Is possible to put the Syracusan hoplites in the next preview, for the fans to si this new unit.

No, cos it ain't done yet.

Foot

**Krusader** · 07-16-2007, 15:29

Originally Posted by russia almighty

What is the difference then ? Do they chuck a javelin before charging ?

Nope. Fight in a less dense formation, slightly longer spears and use a short stabbing sword for close melee which they use beneath their aspis shields. Think Roman legionaries. And Syracusans (alongside Greeks in Magna Graecia) seems to have adapted this before facing Romans, before you ask.

They will probably be at "stats-level" as Pezhetairoi. Not elite, but not levy.