EB in America...

[Marcvs Vipsanivs]

First... Hello! This is my first post, so, I have to thanks to the EB team for the great job they have done, giving a more realistic and acurate world Rome and the "barbarians".


I guess you all have questioned why I said "EB in America"... Is just cause I have a few facts that could "expand" the borders of this game.

Who has seen M2TW, in special the expansion pack, noted that are present brazilian and central america cityes in the late game... And that could be done in EB... I guess...

There are archives (here in brazil) explaining why, and when the Phoenician people colonized this country and others lands more to the south, crossing the lakes of Rio Grande do Sul (almost in Argentina), and then returning to Cartage. All that since 900 BC, or so, until an unknown era, maybe before the roman domination in hispania (the rest of the documents related to this colonization, could been destroyed in the roman era).

A few miles south of my city, São Luís, in the Pensiva Lake, there are miles and miles of wooden ports and foundations of stone houses, back at 1920 historicians found phoenician artifacts (house use), a few spears and arrows.

At Amazonia, prof. Ludwig Schwennhagen colected several inscriptions of kings from Tiro and Sidon (887 BC).

Apollinaire Frot, french historician, said he had colected so many texts of diferent phoenician cityes, that he could created more then dozens of encyclopedias. Some of the texts where a confused tale of Atlantis.

Finaly, great phoenician stone walls are still standing up at the north of the country, some indian tribes still speaks the mixed languages (with phonecian, obvious...) and the Gávea Stone (Pedra Da Gávea) in Rio de Janeiro with the inscription:

Here, Badezir, first son of Jetbaal King of Tiro, have settled


Well... thats all I know... in the hope that might give some ideas!

Marcos

[Lovejoy]

Seriously. I'm pretty sure (actually im 100% sure) the Phoenician people NEVER went to america. And I'm far from a historian. What are your sources?

[Marcvs Vipsanivs]

Well... I have readed a few, and discussed the veracity of this with students and profs of the area. Local historicians confirm this... Some of then have sites and books with it... The two historicians also have a few books about it...

But, those facts are not realy well received by the rest of the cientific comunity... (they are 100% percent idle to). But proves are there.

[bovi]

Skeptical.

[Musopticon?]

Wikipedia lists this issue under "Archeological Forgeries" and compares it to Persian Empress.

Sorry, no deal.

[Swordmaster]

Even so, the map is big enough already.

[Wolfman]

I do know that the Phoenicians possibly sailed around the entire continent of Africa although it would have been a complicated procedure. I have heard that they found Carthaginian pottery in North America and Egyptian pottery in South America . I won"t deny the possibility that the Phoenicians might have sailed to America ( since the vikings did it ) but I won't believe it until there is more historical evidence to back it up. As of now this is just pure speculation. Pseudo History.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I've heard about this. If anyone in the ancient world could have done it, it would have been the Phoenicians. But if they did do it, it would have been a couple trips involving simple trading and not setting up colonies and conquering as the M2TW America is set up for. I heard a rumor once that tobacco was found in an Egyptian tomb. But based on the guy I heard it from and since I heard it nowhere else, I don't know if I believe it.

Besides, including America would mean we would have to remove exsisting provinces in the map.

[Zaknafien]

this is Graham Hancock pseudo-archaeology type of stuff.

[Xehh II]

I was wondering why do CA put province restrictions?

[Reverend Joe]

this is Graham Hancock pseudo-archaeology type of stuff.

You're just afraid of the truth.

[Sir Edward]

Well I didn't want to cite wikipedia but I can't find the information anywhere else quickly. Marcus Aurelius, here is a link talking about cocoa and tobacco finds in Egyptian tombs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Col...ntact_theories. Pretty weak but interesting.

The thing is that if you add America to the map, it will mean the loss of provinces already in EB (as others have pointed out). And if we do follow this line of evidence I will petition that Lemuria also be added to EB.

[Moros]

I've heard about this. If anyone in the ancient world could have done it, it would have been the Phoenicians. But if they did do it, it would have been a couple trips involving simple trading and not setting up colonies and conquering as the M2TW America is set up for. I heard a rumor once that tobacco was found in an Egyptian tomb. But based on the guy I heard it from and since I heard it nowhere else, I don't know if I believe it.

Besides, including America would mean we would have to remove exsisting provinces in the map.

Yeah, I've also heard about the tabacco. Not sure if I should believe it tough.

[Zaknafien]

well, supposedly there was a civilization that lived in Antartica before the poles shifted or some such nonsense, and then they migrated north into south america. These were an uber-advanced civlization of god-men and taught the maya and inca all the knew about astrology and technology (and human sacrifice, I would assume). :)