EB in America...

[Wolfman]

I do know that the Phoenicians possibly sailed around the entire continent of Africa although it would have been a complicated procedure. I have heard that they found Carthaginian pottery in North America and Egyptian pottery in South America . I won"t deny the possibility that the Phoenicians might have sailed to America ( since the vikings did it ) but I won't believe it until there is more historical evidence to back it up. As of now this is just pure speculation. Pseudo History.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I've heard about this. If anyone in the ancient world could have done it, it would have been the Phoenicians. But if they did do it, it would have been a couple trips involving simple trading and not setting up colonies and conquering as the M2TW America is set up for. I heard a rumor once that tobacco was found in an Egyptian tomb. But based on the guy I heard it from and since I heard it nowhere else, I don't know if I believe it.

Besides, including America would mean we would have to remove exsisting provinces in the map.

[Zaknafien]

this is Graham Hancock pseudo-archaeology type of stuff.

[Xehh II]

I was wondering why do CA put province restrictions?

[Krusader]

I was wondering why do CA put province restrictions?

As I understand so there is a set amount of memory for RTW to take.
Someone else might have a more detailed or correct answer.

[Marcvs Vipsanivs]

Even myself dont know if there is any true in those archives...

I dont know even if any of the things that I studied where true...

Those are just a few facts I have grouped...

But if they did do it, it would have been a couple trips involving simple trading and not setting up colonies and conquering as the M2TW America is set up for.

Sea crossing trading relations where only avaliable after 1500... I guess if there where no colonization there where no comerce, the indians didnt have that kind of... of... thing.

Besides, including America would mean we would have to remove exsisting provinces in the map.

I was wondering why do CA put province restrictions?

Why those restrictions???

[Reverend Joe]

this is Graham Hancock pseudo-archaeology type of stuff.

You're just afraid of the truth.

[overmind2000]

Removing the question of whether the Phoenicians ever actually made it to the new world, it would be an interesting idea to add parts of South America to the EB map. As for the removal of existing provinces, I think that the provinces that encompass the modern day areas of southern Finland, Sweden, Norway, Ethiopia, Estonia, possibly parts of Russia and Siberia, and the Sahara Desert should be removed. If that isn't enough, then perhaps the map could be cropped to remove the north-western corner where the Atlantic Ocean is and much of the Arabian Sea and the Western Indian Ocean.

It would all take a lot of work to add the new world to EB, but it might be just the thing for when version 1.00 rolls out.

[AntiochusIII]

Remove those regions for America? In the B.C.'s?

Bad idea.

If it's removing those regions to beef up Central Europe or Persia or what-have-you I won't really mind, but America? Even if the Phoenicians did go there I suspect they didn't set up any kind of real colonization efforts that would merit adding American provinces to E.B.

If that argument is allowed then we might as well add in the entirety of Africa. After all, "Hanno" did circumvent the continent did he not?

[Foot]

Removing the question of whether the Phoenicians ever actually made it to the new world, it would be an interesting idea to add parts of South America to the EB map. As for the removal of existing provinces, I think that the provinces that encompass the modern day areas of southern Finland, Sweden, Norway, Ethiopia, Estonia, possibly parts of Russia and Siberia, and the Sahara Desert should be removed. If that isn't enough, then perhaps the map could be cropped to remove the north-western corner where the Atlantic Ocean is and much of the Arabian Sea and the Western Indian Ocean.

It would all take a lot of work to add the new world to EB, but it might be just the thing for when version 1.00 rolls out.

I really, really have to ask this:

WHY?


There is nothing I can do with smilies that will represent my incredulity at this point. We don't even have enough provinces to represent our current map properly! I bet your a roman player, you certainly don't play any of the other interesting factions whose place are in those regions you mention. Basically, you appear to want us to remove accuracy and detail in our current map so we can expand it and add a continent which had no bearing on the actions of Europe and Asia at this point. I mean, India makes more sense than South America!

Foot

[Slim_Ghost]

Gestatae against Jaguar warriors. LOL I can imagine that.

[Thaatu]

Removing the question of whether the Phoenicians ever actually made it to the new world, it would be an interesting idea to add parts of South America to the EB map. As for the removal of existing provinces, I think that the provinces that encompass the modern day areas of southern Finland, Sweden, Norway, Ethiopia, Estonia, possibly parts of Russia and Siberia, and the Sahara Desert should be removed.

At least the people inhabiting Finland were of germanic origin, so it makes perfect sense to make it a Sweboz allied state... There isn't much archeological finds left of american cultures from 272 BCE, so planning a faction, or even an eleutheroi city (with garrison) would require a few handfuls of weed.

[Sakkura]

At least the people inhabiting Finland were of germanic origin, so it makes perfect sense to make it a Sweboz allied state...

I think that is an overstatement, but in any case there are finds of Roman artifacts in Finland which shows the connections existing even in antiquity. Such connections to anywhere in America at that time are not known.

Expansion of the map into South and East Asia should certainly have far higher priority than America.

[Maeran]

At least the people inhabiting Finland were of germanic origin, so it makes perfect sense to make it a Sweboz allied state... There isn't much archeological finds left of american cultures from 272 BCE, so planning a faction, or even an eleutheroi city (with garrison) would require a few handfuls of weed.

The Paracas culture was probably not disimilar to the Incas. This period was their time of greatness in South America.

No, I don't think it's worth wasting provinces and unit slots on.

Partly because I don't believe it ever happened. Rowing around a coastline must be different to crossing open ocean.

Even if it did happen, it wasn't part of the EB time frame and so would go the way of Lorica Segmentata anyway.

[Sir Edward]

Well I didn't want to cite wikipedia but I can't find the information anywhere else quickly. Marcus Aurelius, here is a link talking about cocoa and tobacco finds in Egyptian tombs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Col...ntact_theories. Pretty weak but interesting.

The thing is that if you add America to the map, it will mean the loss of provinces already in EB (as others have pointed out). And if we do follow this line of evidence I will petition that Lemuria also be added to EB.

[Moros]

I've heard about this. If anyone in the ancient world could have done it, it would have been the Phoenicians. But if they did do it, it would have been a couple trips involving simple trading and not setting up colonies and conquering as the M2TW America is set up for. I heard a rumor once that tobacco was found in an Egyptian tomb. But based on the guy I heard it from and since I heard it nowhere else, I don't know if I believe it.

Besides, including America would mean we would have to remove exsisting provinces in the map.

Yeah, I've also heard about the tabacco. Not sure if I should believe it tough.

[Zaknafien]

well, supposedly there was a civilization that lived in Antartica before the poles shifted or some such nonsense, and then they migrated north into south america. These were an uber-advanced civlization of god-men and taught the maya and inca all the knew about astrology and technology (and human sacrifice, I would assume). :)

[Spendios]

Semi OT : Were the Azores islands known in Antiquity ?

[Starforge]

As a mostly Roman player I still think adding the Americas would be pointless and non-historical. If M2TW allows for a much larger map - Go east and maybe south rather than west.

Can you imagine the "distance to capital" penalty from Rome to New York?

[Zaknafien]

the M2 map isnt larger, in fact, I think we are even allowed one less province.

[pockettank]

well, supposedly there was a civilization that lived in Antartica before the poles shifted or some such nonsense, and then they migrated north into south america. These were an uber-advanced civlization of god-men and taught the maya and inca all the knew about astrology and technology (and human sacrifice, I would assume). :)

wait were you kidding or do u mean this? cuz i coulda sworn i heard of humanoids and other animals being in antartica b4 it froze over.. or maybe not humanoids but i know for a fact animals were there and im probly 70~80% sure i heard of humanoids but idk maybe my tired mind is making things up

[hoom]

Oh, its well known fact.
The civilization was called Bartix & they will be replacing Armenia in EB2.
Dunno what units they get though.

[Olaf The Great]

Okay, yes it is very possible that a few of them did go to SA, but its not important enough to add it to the map. Thats it, you see, I would definitely go with India rather than America.


It MIGHT be a good idea to add some trade resources like tobacco to the area, but only if this evidence is confirmed.


And about animals in Antarctica, yes in both the past, and in modern times.

1-Penguins, duh
2-Seals, duh
3-Fish, duh
4-Prehistoric Fish living in an unfrozen lake under the Ice in Antarctica.
5-Dinosaurs that used to live there before the continent shifted.
6-The scientists.

I do not know about Prehistoric humans.

[bovi]

The civilization was called Bartix & they will be replacing Armenia in EB2.
Dunno what units they get though.

This is one of the few factions that have been concepted in public. You can read all about them and see screenshots of some of their units.