I reckon the famr will be good enough.
Just had to add this, might be spam, but when you say Sharps Farm I think Sharpes Farm from SHarpes Rifles. :P
I reckon the famr will be good enough.
Just had to add this, might be spam, but when you say Sharps Farm I think Sharpes Farm from SHarpes Rifles. :P
A mistake from my recon platoon. It's a tragedy to work with unexperienced soldiers.
Now the battle will be called "Battle at Sharp's Farm". What a pitty!!
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I think Franc's broad approach is right - but I think he is going too far south. Sharp's farm puts us between the force on Bald Knob/ Bloody Hill and the rest of the rebels coming up from the south. We should camp to the east of Gibson's mill on the 2 hills covered with Ray's cornfield. This gives us height, a wood on each flank, at least some of the Rebels will have to cross the Creek to get to us and we dominate the road to Springfield.
We should rest the men, but we should be on our guard. We should set pickets, garrison Gibson's Mill as well as having forward pickets in the wood to the south of Ray's cornfield.
We should keep our troops together, but I think a diversion with some of our cavalry would be good. We should send the Kansas rangers and 1st US cavalry under Cpt. Wood to recon the wood between Gibson's mill and Bald Knob - they could skirmish with any pickets and generally stir things up, creating the impression of an attack from the north. This will keep the rebels up all night and misdirect them about our general position. Our cavalry should grab any opportunity - eg run off any horses, shot any gunners, spike any guns etc - but they should not get too involved. Our cavalry is meant to be OK, so they should be able to do this.
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I agree, let's find the highest hill we can, with good protection from forests! After that, I think we should go for a plan of deception and defense.
Let's prepare multiple lines of trenches on the hill, and put some 2,000 soldiers in the trenches at the beginning of the battle. The rest should be hidden in the forests. When enough enemies become visible from the hill position, a carefully planned feigned panic act should be played out. Cannons should be turned around and moved up higher on the hill, and some 200 men should run back and forth through the trench systems in a chaotic but pre-arranged manner to make the whole force look even more disorganized and panic-struck. Hopefully this will draw the enemy into attacking the main position. When they do, the infantry in the forests can either strike from the forests, or be sent in to strengthen the trenches, depending on whether the enemy exposes their flank, or the trenches are in desperate need of reinforcement.
Additionally, we should prepare a second bait with our cavalry to make the deception even more convincing. About half of the cavalry could be sent away over very open terrain to make it look like they're on their way to fetch reinforcements, but due to the open terrain, the enemy will believe these reinforcements will be very far away. This, along with the panic playact, will make the enemy think we are weak and our only chance lies in delaying the enemy for long enough to bring reinforcements.
The cavalry commander should have free hands to act depending on the situation. If they are pursued they should of course try to shake off the pursuers as top priority. If they are not, they should wait until the battle has begun at the hill, then return. The cavalry commander should attack either enemy gun positions, infantry or cavalry depending on which enemy forces he considers most isolated and most useful to destroy.
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We should not try to be too clever - this is early American Civil war, troops are eager, fragile and not well trained. Also digging deep trenches are a bit beyond our troops and equipment. We should prepare positions - tree trunk abbattis etc - but we are unlikely to make a copy of the Somme on the hill - especially as we only have over night and it would be more important to rest. Our troops - and theirs - have been marching here and there for several days.
Overall, we should keep things simple - tailor our moves to the calibre of our troops. The rebels are trying to march on Springfield - no doubt to seize the nuclear reactor- so as long as we dominate that road, they must attack us.
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You know, my knowledge of the civil war is so limited, that I could maybe even have fallen for thatOriginally Posted by King Kurt
Joking aside, I trust your advice more than my own, until I learn more about the period
However, I got the impression that we had a professional core within our army - enough to perform complex moves that only involve small numbers, whereas when the entire army is involved we can only make very simple moves.
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Some of your men are professional, yes, but the majority are fairly raw recruits. Later in the Civil War they would be able to do very complex moves, but as it is the things you can do are rather limited.
4 Hours left. The current winning decisions are:
Decision 1 - A (E.B Short's farm)
Decision 2 - C (Set up pickets, then rest)
Decision 3 - B (Send a regiment of cavalry)
BTW - I accidentally mistook Short for Sharp. Stupid similar names. Either way Sharp's farm is not an option for you guys, you would have to march through the enemy lines, not to mention marching for a fair bit into the night.
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
very intersting!
Chapter 2 – Pre Battle Manoeuvres II
August 9th, 1861 – 2100 Hours
It is now 2100 Hours and some unexpected light rain has started to fall. This rain is expected to last for at least another hour. The temperature has dropped to a cool 65 Degrees Fahrenheit.
You decided to make camp a short way to your west, at E. B Short’s farm and, though your men took a little while to organise, they started to dig one main trench and a few smaller ones near it. Unfortunately, the rain has started to make it boggy and much of the work that was done earlier in the night has been ruined. Work has stalled now, to be continued once the rain stops, if you allow it
You have set up your pickets and have sent out scouts to keep an eye on General Rains. They have reported no movement; however there have been noticeably fewer pickets set up since the rain has started.
The Kansas Rangers and 1st U.S. Cavalry have been sent out to the ford to try to loop around the enemy as a distraction, and to hunt artillery if they have a chance. They are now outside your command, and any messengers that you wish to send them are not guaranteed to reach them.
You must decide what to do:
Decision 1 – Shall we continue with the trenches?
Our trenches are starting to be bogged down, and some of the work has collapsed after turning into mud. The work can be replaced, but will waste more time that our men could spend resting.
Option A – Continue with the trenches, even through the rain.
Option B – Stop work on the trenches altogether, start another plan.
Option C – Leave the trenches and return to them after the rain has stopped.
Option D – Other.
Decision 2 – Our Pickets?
Some of our pickets are complaining about the rain and have not reported seeing anyone so far.
Option A – They are fine, leave them there.
Option B – Recall the pickets
Option C – Send out more pickets
Option D - Other
Decision 3 – Rain’s Pickets?
Rain has noticeably fewer pickets than before, probably due to the weather. What do we do about this potential opportunity?
Option A – Attack (Specify with what forces)
Option B – Leave him as he is.
Option C – Other
You will have close to 60 hours to debate this one, because school starts again in that time, so I will have to close this later in the day. Also, anyone who is voting please be specific as to what you are voting for. This means state specifically if you are choosing A, B, C, etc. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
The questions are kinda confusing for a while but then I realized you mean two different "rains", the normal "rain" and "General Rain"![]()
Anyway, my choices:
Decision 1 – Shall we continue with the trenches?
Option C – Leave the trenches and return to them after the rain has stopped.
Decision 2 – Our Pickets?
Option A – They are fine, leave them there.
Decision 3 – Rain’s Pickets?
Option B – Leave him as he is. (could be a trap, but keep the eyes on them)
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1C
2A/B, decrease a bit but not completely
3A/B only attack if we can find a very isolated enemy group in the open, and attack with the cavalry. Otherwise, leave it. That probably means leave it completely, as the enemy would only leave an isolated group in the open by mistake![]()
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Decision 1 – Shall we continue with the trenches?
Option A – Continue with the trenches, even through the rain.
Trenches are key to our victory! We need them as good as possible. However, we could start to fell trees to build defilates. They would stand the water.
Kurt is right, of course. We should keep it as simple but effective as possible. Maybe we could use waggons, barrels or anything else to improve our defilate.
Do not forget to ship enough amo and food. Rain may slow it down, but we will need a lot of powder!!
Mud may be a good thing, as it will slow down the rebel cav.!
Decision 2 – Our Pickets?
Option B – Recall the pickets
The rebels won't attack at night! They will wait for the daylight and the rain to end. We have to use this time to improve our defense. So build barricades, chop trees, stock supply, prepare kitchens for warm meals, casualties station etc. Also let the soldiers ret for some time.
Decision 3 – Rain’s Pickets?
Option B – Leave him as he is.
Now it is time to dig and to rest. Then we will defend the trench, finally we will chase the fleeing enemy. No time to hurry. No reason for distraction!!
P.S.: Do not use the cavalry for any skirmish combat. We almost have none. We must safe them for more important things: recon, protection of our flanks, counterstrikes. So call them back and make them rest. Some small patrols are sufficient!!
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Decision 1 – Shall we continue with the trenches?
Option D – Other. - We should make best use of what we have achieved and look to supplement it with chopped down trees . However, we should aim to finish by midnight to ensure we have some rest before tomorrow - CA - what time is dawn?
Decision 2 – Our Pickets?
Some of our pickets are complaining about the rain and have not reported seeing anyone so far.
Option A – They are fine, leave them there. - They might complain, but we must keep tabs on the Rebels. We should attempt to get hot food to them and aim to replace them 2 hours before dawn to ensure they can get some rest and we have fresh pickets when the likely attack will occur.
Decision 3 – Rain’s Pickets?
Rain has noticeably fewer pickets than before, probably due to the weather. What do we do about this potential opportunity?
Option B – Leave him as he is. - The smaller number of pickets might present an opportunity for our cavalry though.
Other - we should send word to our cavalry to be back in camp by 1 o'clock - we do not want them and their horses overtired for tomorrow.
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Chapter 3 – Pre Battle Manoeuvres
August 10th, 1861 – Midnight (5 Hours until Dawn)
Not a great deal has occurred since 2100; however the rain stopped at approximately 2200. The men continued building digging the trenches after that time and they started putting in place some Wagons and the few scattered trees from around here. They also ransacked part of Short’s farmhouse for wood. However, Short left many hours ago and was not there to protest. The constructions are expected to be finished within the hour. At that point there will be another half hour of preparing the trench for use. After this, the men can retire.
You have sent off for more supplies, but it is unlikely that they will be forthcoming, at least not for a few days. The pickets that you sent out earlier remained out there, with food being brought to them. They will be rotated for other guards at 0200. They are not reporting any unusual activity.
You decided to leave General Rain’s forces alone when his pickets were recalled during the rain. Those scouts who you have left out are reporting that his pickets still haven’t come back out and that all remains silent in there.
You must decide what to do:
Decision 1 – The Constructions
The constructions are nearing completion, with an hour and a half remaining until all of the work is done. It is possible for only one of the Brigades to continue work and provide the pickets, while the other ones go to sleep.
Option A – All men should continue the work. This will result in it being completed in an hour and a half.
Option B – Sturgis’ First Brigade can continue the work alone (534 Men). This will result in it being completed in three hours.
Option C – Sigel’s Second Brigade can continue the work alone (1200 Men). This will result in it being completed in two and a half hours.
Option D – Andrews’ Third Brigade can continue the work alone (1116 Men). This will result in it being completed in two and a half hours.
Option E – Deitzler’s Fourth Brigade can continue the work alone (2400 Men). This will result in it being completed in two hours.
Decision 2 – Command Centre
For the battle to come you will need to have a Command Centre, where all orders you give will be sent from. Where should this be?
Option A – Short’s Farm
Option B – North of the Farm
Option C – Dig another trench for them
Option D – Other
Decision 2 – Hospital
All Civil War armies needed a Hospital on the field. Where should this be?
Option A – Short’s Farm
Option B – North of the Farm
Option C – Dig another trench for them
Option D – Other
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
Excellent chapter, good progress.
Decision 1 – The Constructions
The constructions are nearing completion, with an hour and a half remaining until all of the work is done. It is possible for only one of the Brigades to continue work and provide the pickets, while the other ones go to sleep.
Option E – Deitzler’s Fourth Brigade can continue the work alone (2400 Men). This will result in it being completed in two hours.
During battle 4th Brigade will be the reserve. They can rest during day. Let the other brigades sleep!
Decision 2 – Command Centre
For the battle to come you will need to have a Command Centre, where all orders you give will be sent from. Where should this be?
If I read the map right, then the farm is at the slope on the northern side of the hill. Then the enemy won't be able to watch it or to shell it. If this is right, then the headquarter has to be there. If not, locate the headquarter 200 meters aside and mask it!
Decision 2 – Hospital
All Civil War armies needed a Hospital on the field. Where should this be?
If I read the map right, then the farm is at the slope on the northern side of the hill. Then the enemy won't be able to watch it or to shell it. If this is right, then the headquarter has to be there. If not, locate the hospital several hundred meters north of the farm (at the road!)
No, it is on the very south of the Northern-most hill of the map.If I read the map right, then the farm is at the slope on the northern side of the hill.
Also, do I understand right in that you want to Hospital with the Command Centre?
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
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This map is good for these things.
Bloody Hill is where General Rain is.
Edward's farm is just to its South-East.
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Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
That is what I am more leaning towards.
Oh and welcome Don Corleone, anyone is free to come and go as they please
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Does that mean the outcome of this battle might not effect the other/future battles?Originally Posted by CountArach
Anyway, my choices:
Decision 1 – Artillery Batteries
Option A – Target Infantry that is on the Hill
Decision 2 – Cavalry commands
Option C – Order them to attack lone artillery
Decision 3 – Deploying your Brigades
Option A – Leave it as is
Decision 4 – A Rousing Speech
I'll leave that to the master of propaganda...
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It will.Does that mean the outcome of this battle might not effect the other/future battles?
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