Michael Moore loses it and attacks CNN

[Adrian II]

I haven't watched the clips and I don't care. I can guess what's happening. A debate about a different health care system in the U.S. is being killed by corporate media.

It's the same with Al Gore's views. The guy is ridiculed so the subject doesn't have to be discussed. Audiences fall for this every time. Good night.

[Husar]

I like my nanny state.

Also Adrian, this reminds me of Dr. Rath, here's a promo video if you don't know him. Claims that we could cure cancer but the pharmaceutical companies keep people sick to earn more money, sounds somewhat similar to Michael Moore in some respects. Of course he is taken apart in the media and after a boy who he claimed to have healed died, there was more controvercy. I personally don't know who's right, I'm no expert on that topic, like usual, they both seem to have good points.

[KukriKhan]

Anyone taking a shot at Wolf "I just read wut dey put in front of me" Blitzer, gets thumbs-up from me, even hysterical docu-dramatists.

And it's pretty funny seeing Fox showing CNN clips. Massive media conspiracy indeed.

[Bijo]

There will be no change in the American health care system. If there will be it will be minor and petty.

[Xiahou]

It's the same with Al Gore's views. The guy is ridiculed so the subject doesn't have to be discussed. Audiences fall for this every time. Good night.

Moore and Gore only have themselves to blame. When reality of the situation isn't sexy enough or scary enough they simply resort to distortion, exaggeration and outright lies. I don't think either of them are interested in a dialogue- they're trying to force everyone to their position with intimidation and scare tactics.

I haven't watched the clips and I don't care. I can guess what's happening. A debate about a different health care system in the U.S. is being killed by corporate media.

You might be surprised then. In the CNN clip, it's nothing but Moore blathering on with disjointed points in inane babble- generally sounding like the lunatic he is.

[PanzerJaeger]

I haven't watched the clips and I don't care.

I can't be bothered to familiarize myself with the subject of the discussion, but I'll do you a favor and tell you whats really going on anyway.

[Gregoshi]

Moore, Gore, O'Reilly, Rush, etc are messengers bigger than the message, which is a shame when they have a worthwhile message. Their snotty, know-it-all and condesending personalities overshadow and destroy the validity of the message.

[Adrian II]

I can't be bothered to familiarize myself with the subject of the discussion, but I'll do you a favor and tell you whats really going on anyway.

No, I made an educated guess. So far nothing has belied my guess. It's all about that horrible slob with the five o 'clock shade and his antagonists Mr B. and Mr O', not about the subject of his movie (which I have seen).
So there, you young whippersnapper.

[Don Corleone]

No, I made an educated guess. So far nothing has belied my guess. It's all about that horrible slob with the five o 'clock shade and his antagonists Mr B. and Mr O', not about the subject of his movie (which I have seen).
So there, you young whippersnapper.

Actually, Dr. Gupta was making the point that Moore had made a good movie and he didn't need to resort to the hyperbole, exaggeration and unsupported assertions he engaged in. He's right. Moore is right, we have a big mess with our health care system. But why does it have to be black and white? Why is that Moore and others get to frame the discussion as "if you agree the US health care system isn't optimized, then you must agree to immediately enact full universal health care with complete government oversight"? And yes, that is the way he's framing the discussion. No discussion of in-between answers. Where's Germany and Italy or other countries that have achieved great results with something less than a complete government takeover?

[PanzerJaeger]

No, I made an educated guess. So far nothing has belied my guess. It's all about that horrible slob with the five o 'clock shade and his antagonists Mr B. and Mr O', not about the subject of his movie (which I have seen).
So there, you young whippersnapper.

I never said you weren't a good guesser.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

No, I made an educated guess. So far nothing has belied my guess.

If you bothered watching the clip it would.

So there, you young whippersnapper.

[Geoffrey S]

Nope, he agrees with what the clip shows: that the hyperbole damages the debate, and that people like Moore and O'Reilly aren't helping one bit. A good guess indeed.

[Adrian II]

Nope, he agrees with what the clip shows: that the hyperbole damages the debate, and that people like Moore and O'Reilly aren't helping one bit. A good guess indeed.

Yeah, the way in which so many political topics are narrowed down to personality clashes in today's mainstream media really annoys me. On the substance, the funny thing is I tend to agree (as a non-American outsider, let it be said) more or less with Michael Moore despite his whining and hypocrisy. And his movies are very well made, it has to be said. Whereas I disagree strongly with Al Gore because he is a demagogue who gets his facts wrong, not because he built a 200 gallon jacuzzi for his dog or whatever the indictment was. And by the way Gore's movie sucks horribly. Yikes, what a waste of time that was - if it hadn't been my job to cover it, I would have walked off after ten minutes and left Mr Gore (who was present at the Dutch premier) standing there.

[Goofball]

Cool, this thread has a little bit of everything in it: healthcare, conservatism, Reagan saving the economy, MM, Bill O'Idiot...

Just the kind of "sampler" thread I needed to get my feet wet again after being away for so long.

Thanks guys...

[wammer]

I hate Michael Moore
I hate Wolf Blitzer
I hate O'reilly

But they do give out a lot of free hot air. Thats gotta mean something.

[Gregoshi]

I hate Michael Moore
I hate Wolf Blitzer
I hate O'reilly

But they do give out a lot of free hot air. Thats gotta mean something.

There's the real cause of global warming.