Dark Ages: Total War

[Hound of Ulster]

Education is more important than mere video games , but at least keep us abreast of developments. I want see this mod succeed. I can help with some historical research if you want.

[ULC]

I'll try. I have this weekend free, so I'll defintely have something to show. As for research, any help is good help. I have a curent problem scrounging up enough historical units, which can make some factions rather limited.

[Hound of Ulster]

your safest bet with the Norse is to simply port over units from MTWVI or XL. The Byazantines went through a major military reform just before thier huge war with Persia in 602. However, you can simply port over the Kataphraktoi and Klibnariiphoi from XL, while the Varnargains don't come in until the mid 800s.

I'll post more once I give my books about the Sassinsids and Byzantium a once-over.

[axel]

Hi here s wot i found on dark ages units: http://www.digitization.org/wiki/ind...le=AOK:SOLDIER
here s a link it seems a bit childisch but if you click on the units you will see wot kind of units you got and somme pics: http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgur...%3Dnl%26sa%3DN
but i think you will get somme good ideas from this like clothing and weapons and shields

[Hound of Ulster]

Some Sassinsid units...

Savaran (use Kataphractoi as base) elite heavy cav. high stats

Paighan (use Almohad Urban Militia) basic infantry, useless in anything other than sieges. you can split the Paghian into sword and spear really low stats

Medians heavy infantry (use Spearman) rank and file infantry low stats

Median Javelinmen AND Median slingers (I suggest asking Macsen Rufus for some of his Ancient TW missile units for these guys) low stats

Dailamite infantry (use Saracen Infantry, both boost stats bigtime) as Median infantry, but even more elite. Make them cheap, but only recruitable in Caspain area.

Archers (use base Archers, but give them a pavise type shield) they carried light wicker shields

Armenian Savaran (as Savaran, but also recruitable as mercs and only in Armenia) high stats, but should show up in rebel armies

Horse Archers (use Mongol Horse Archers)

Zhayedan (use Klibnariphoi from MTW-XL, but give massive stat boost) bodyguard unit for princes and Shahs. very high stats

Kurdish Javelinmen (as Median Javelinmen but only recruitable in Mesopatamia) decent stats

King at start (632)should be Yazdegird III, but make base loyalty of all proviences really low (prone to revolt) as he was the last of a rocade of brief reigns before the Arabs. Also, see if thier is a way you can make the Savaran easily bribable, as many went over to the Arabs after Al-Qadiyasa.

Byzantines to follow.

[dimitrios the samian]

Don't give up YLC .... Im 100% behind you like Hound , Axel & Omar and others .
Just keep up steady progress when you can ..
After all one or two steps a day can add up to 1000's of klm's at the finish line !!
cheers guys
DTS

[ULC]

I have come to a crossroads on the Bavarian Flag. Here is what I have collected so far.




I am trying to find more, but I can't seem to find any...heraldry is really hard to find for the era, so I was thinking of a solution. I take the upper half of any given flag and color it the primary faction color, and take the lower half and color it the secondary faction color. Thoughts?

[CountMRVHS]

I think a simple idea is generally best, YLAC -- so I'd be tempted to go with the 2-color flag idea.

The pics you post are interesting, but they seem just stylistically to be rather late for the early medieval period, & you're right -- I don't think there's much in the way of existing images for heraldry of the period.

BTW, great idea for a mod -- a period that has fallen through the cracks of the official TW games! I started something like this for myself a year or so ago; a Charlemagne-era mod using the MTW Europe map. Didn't get very far -- I was limited to using just the original map, and I never got around to making any units -- but I did hammer out some factions and get their starting positions. I haven't read this whole thread but I assume you've got that stuff well figured out.

Good luck!

CountMRVHS

[ULC]

Any material is good material Count. I'd love to see with what you cooked up. I was almost thinking of asking if you wanted to pool our efforts to speed things up. I've been lucky so far though, having Axel scrounge info from the net, Kahvan Isbul with his info on the bulgars, OmarPacha with his stunning map.

[Hound of Ulster]

Oh, forgot to mention...

Those units are from the Osprey Elite volume "Sassinsid Elite Cavalry". Some titles that you could have could include 'Andarzabad' (royal counseler), 'Pushtighban-Salar' (royal bodyguard commander), 'Mobadan Mobad' (Chief of the Zoroastrain Magi) and 'Vuzurg-Framandar' (Great Commander). Proviencial governers were called 'Spahbad'.

[axel]

Hi YourLordandConqueror,

If you cane PM me your E mail ill send you more heraldrieks and flags and banners of factions

[Hound of Ulster]

I did some looking for some Byzantine dark ages-era stuff on Wiki and I didn't turn up much. You should ask the Viking Total War team over at the TWcenter if they are willing to share some research.

I'll do some Gaelic and Arab digging later.

[axel]

Here are somme more links :
this is about Khazars and avars and more turkisch tribes http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgur...%3Dnl%26sa%3DN
http://images.google.nl/imgres?imgur...%3Dnl%26sa%3DN scroll down you will see a menu with periods

[axel]

Here s a link maybe you cane get somme idea s from it : http://www.milminusa.com/littlebigme...bannermain.htm

[dimitrios the samian]

Good to see it rolling along YLC ..
Axel you are a champion scrounger buddy .. your links are incredible .
Back next week fella's must hit the renovation trail again for the rest of the week .

[axel]

Thanks mate
anything to get all dose good mods working

[western2]

Hi YLC

Are you any nearer releasing a demo version? I'm dying to see this, not least Omar Pacha's new map

[ULC]

I am currently trying to balance college, life, and MTW, and MTW is losing out. I don't know when, but it will come.

[Sigma]

WEll in the event you ever have to give up with the project, could you make it public domain or hand it over to someone?

[ULC]

Yes, absolutely. I would think it selfish of me not to at least to do that.

[Hound of Ulster]

don't give up, but certainly work at a reasonable pace. Set aside one day a week where do something with the mod. You'll find that a few steps at a time will lead to long walk.

[seireikhaan]

Your Lord and Conqueror, I just want to throw my in to the fray, and that I think this will be a great addition to the MTW mod community when you get the chance to finish it. We would finally get a near continuous time line from Macsen's ATW, to yours, to MTW and the various Medieval mods, and finally to Cegorach's Pike and Musket. I'm afraid I can't be of much help, as I lack the skills and computer to help much, but I just thought I'd chip in with a little encouragement.

[Hound of Ulster]

I second Kamikhan's motion.

[Raz]

Don't forget Napoleonic: Total War.

[Hound of Ulster]

don't be afraid to hand off to Cegorach or Macsen Rufus. They do good work.

[Frunk]

As annoing as many will see it, I am really keen on seeing this mod and must call this post a bump.

[Sigma]

Bumping becuase its to important to loose...

[Sigma]

YLC, if you cannot finish the mod, try to find the time if you can and make the files public, to prevent lose of much hard work...


Bump again...

[western]

I second that. OmarPacha's eastward extension of the main map could be really useful to other Mods as well

[ULC]

Sorry for the lack of updates guys. I've been real busy with life, and haven't been able to put much work into the mod. I've put it on temporary hiatus for now, and will make an effort to make the files public if anyone wishes to work on it will I'm not.