EB2's armor

**Ludens** · 08-06-2007, 17:49

Originally Posted by Lusted

It's used for all 3 i believe.

Thanks for the information.

Originally Posted by Patriote

Why are so many people interested in seeing the Lorica segmentata implemented in EB ?

It does look nice for sure, and maybe I'm missing a point here, but it's just an other type of armor, right ?

For many people it's the quintessential Roman armour, and a game about Romans wouldn't be complete without it. Sadly, some of them don't seem to realize that the EB team is familiar with popular culture as well, and must have had a reason for not including it.

**Patriote** · 08-06-2007, 18:00

Well yeah, it is very "Gladiator" like, must be why they want it so badly

**Slim_Ghost** · 08-06-2007, 18:54

Well EB is about you, the player, creating your own history right? I would like to see a "what if" scenario when the Romans are extremely rich, so rich that they can afford to over-equip their legions with the highest quality armor avaliable.

It would take like 80K of gold and 40 turns (not counting the previous blacksmiths) to build an armor factory, but for the super-duper-rich Romani player, this wouldn't be an obstacle. This armor factory enables the upgrade of legion armor to the muscled cuirass.

The team woudln't worry about seeing so many of these upgraded legionnaires, because as I said the armor factory would be so high up the tech tree, so expensive and takes so long to complete. Only deeply specialized cities (like Rome) will have the facilities. The AI won't be abusing the smiths despite teh money cheat because as I observe in EB1 they prefer to build other buildings instead.

It is historically inaccurate to see legions with the cuirass, because as you said that it is too expensive, but it doesn't mean that it is historially improbable if the Romans are a lot richer - as in the case of me, the player.

**Ludens** · 08-06-2007, 19:30

Originally Posted by Patriote

Well yeah, it is very "Gladiator" like, must be why they want it so badly

Assuredly. Although LS has been hyped long before that movie was even conceived. All Ridley Scott did was go along with popular culture.

Originally Posted by Slim_Ghost

Well EB is about you, the player, creating your own history right? I would like to see a "what if" scenario when the Romans are extremely rich, so rich that they can afford to over-equip their legions with the highest quality armor avaliable.

Historically, the Romans were very rich, yet if anything they downgraded their armour. EB is indeed about rewriting history, but not every possibility can be included. If you do that, you have to allow the Celts to create cataphracts, or the Saba to recruit a legion. Could have happened, but rather unlikely, and so I doubt they are going to include it.

**Patriote** · 08-06-2007, 20:01

So basically, you're asking that one of the Romani team member spend time doing the new model of Lorica segmentata, because I presume it is not done so far because they've always refused to add it to the game, while knowing there's still is a lot of work to do with EB2. All this for what? Something that would cost 80K + 40 turns and that would be used by less than 1% of the players. Totally useless and time consuming in my opinion.

You Lorica segmentata fans should get together and start a mod that will give you the possibility of equipping your legionnaries with this armor

**Slim_Ghost** · 08-06-2007, 20:24

Hmm yeah you guys are right. I'll learn to mod in due time.

....(but then again, I am such a lazy, procastinating bastard lol).

**CrownOfSwords** · 08-11-2007, 04:37

No way I think this has to be implemented in the game, or perhaps it can be controlled by scripts to show the change in armor over time bronze -> iron cuirass -> chainmail -> lorica/other elite

**bovi** · 08-12-2007, 22:05

I also think there is no way this has to be implemented.

**Grothaal** · 10-17-2007, 21:43

Originally Posted by Patriote

So basically, you're asking that one of the Romani team member spend time doing the new model of Lorica segmentata, because I presume it is not done so far because they've always refused to add it to the game, while knowing there's still is a lot of work to do with EB2. All this for what? Something that would cost 80K + 40 turns and that would be used by less than 1% of the players. Totally useless and time consuming in my opinion.

You Lorica segmentata fans should get together and start a mod that will give you the possibility of equipping your legionnaries with this armor

If a player wish he can replace a unit with other mod I guess, without a major dificulty.

I am thinking in replacing the spartan unit of my EB with a more good looking one (as historical as possible without the cone-bronze-heads and 'babylon' beards), will be my first modding contact i guess. :)

**hellenes** · 10-21-2007, 05:54

Originally Posted by Grothaal

If a player wish he can replace a unit with other mod I guess, without a major dificulty.

I am thinking in replacing the spartan unit of my EB with a more good looking one (as historical as possible without the cone-bronze-heads and 'babylon' beards), will be my first modding contact i guess. :)

As disturbing as it is its 100% historical...and this is a Greek guy telling you this...Ive seen dozens of vase paintings in museums here...

**Grothaal** · 10-23-2007, 03:27

:) They are good models, but in this case i choose to go a little a-historical, and went lets say in a more 'romantic' way, lol

Replaced the unit with the ATG models of bronze spartans :) They look good, and MEAN!!!! hehehehe

Greeks are my favourite faction, eventough i am a italian-french-spanish descendant, lol

**antisocialmunky** · 08-19-2007, 14:23

Like any great bureacracy, they inevitably decided to go on the cheap with everything.

**Iasonis** · 08-20-2007, 06:26

maybe it has to do with the government changing to picking up the tab for the equipment? If your buying to save your own skin, you would want the best. If your buying for someone else...

**Zarax** · 08-20-2007, 09:44

Post marius the troop equipment received no love from the senate for sure as they knew legionaries could be turned against them and generals themselves had to run their legions like a business to avoid getting bankrupt...

Who knows, in the future we might find that some generals issued leather or linen armour to part of their legions for the sake of cost effectiveness (or... what was used under the scales in the lorica squamata to keep them together?)

**Urnamma** · 08-23-2007, 23:05

In terms of armor, Lorica Segmentata is worse than mail. More expensive, harder to maintain, and not as protective.

**gamegeek2** · 10-31-2007, 21:22

The M2TW blacksmiths appear to only give 1 point of upgrade, but its more than that. I modded the game, and it actually does change it to the base values, though it does not appear so. For example

I changed it to

Leather - 4
Light Mail - 6
Heavy Mail - 8
Partial Plate - 10
Full Plate - 11
Advanced Plate - 13

I'm sure you could do it, too...

**Lusted** · 10-31-2007, 21:33

No it doesn't, whilst appearing to only give +1 according to the unit card, it does infact give +2/2.5 per level for each upgrade. It does not follow the armour level progression. I was part of a group of people here who did extensive testing to find this out.