EB2's armor

**Patriote** · 08-06-2007, 20:01

So basically, you're asking that one of the Romani team member spend time doing the new model of Lorica segmentata, because I presume it is not done so far because they've always refused to add it to the game, while knowing there's still is a lot of work to do with EB2. All this for what? Something that would cost 80K + 40 turns and that would be used by less than 1% of the players. Totally useless and time consuming in my opinion.

You Lorica segmentata fans should get together and start a mod that will give you the possibility of equipping your legionnaries with this armor

**Slim_Ghost** · 08-06-2007, 20:24

Hmm yeah you guys are right. I'll learn to mod in due time.

....(but then again, I am such a lazy, procastinating bastard lol).

**CrownOfSwords** · 08-11-2007, 04:37

No way I think this has to be implemented in the game, or perhaps it can be controlled by scripts to show the change in armor over time bronze -> iron cuirass -> chainmail -> lorica/other elite

**bovi** · 08-12-2007, 22:05

I also think there is no way this has to be implemented.

**Zarax** · 08-13-2007, 19:30

Didn't antesignani use a muscle cuirass?

**antisocialmunky** · 08-19-2007, 14:23

Like any great bureacracy, they inevitably decided to go on the cheap with everything.

**Iasonis** · 08-20-2007, 06:26

maybe it has to do with the government changing to picking up the tab for the equipment? If your buying to save your own skin, you would want the best. If your buying for someone else...

**Zarax** · 08-20-2007, 09:44

Post marius the troop equipment received no love from the senate for sure as they knew legionaries could be turned against them and generals themselves had to run their legions like a business to avoid getting bankrupt...

Who knows, in the future we might find that some generals issued leather or linen armour to part of their legions for the sake of cost effectiveness (or... what was used under the scales in the lorica squamata to keep them together?)

**Urnamma** · 08-23-2007, 23:05

In terms of armor, Lorica Segmentata is worse than mail. More expensive, harder to maintain, and not as protective.

**Byzantine_Dragon** · 08-25-2007, 06:40

Originally Posted by Slim_Ghost

M2:TW style armor upgrades would be totally awesome. Plain-clothed frameas can be upgraded to wear simple leather and buttressed shields and then later to chain mail with helmet. And then the legionnaires would start at the chain mail and later upgrade to wear the muscled cuirass (lorica segmentata?).

But I fear that this would disturb the historical accuracy of the mod. I mean, it would be very unrealistic if a roman army marches to Swebia (Germania?) and see Germanic warbands clad in iron. Perhaps the armor upgrade buildings would be set at a high price, just like the mines and the ports? That way, the factions with low income (like Swebos) would not easily provide high-quality equipment to its soldiers, and vice versa for the richer factions such as the Selukids, Parthai and Romani.

And speaking of which, I wonder if EB team can implement having cheaper smiths at cities that have mines.

Or better yet armor (like ships) would only be available where wealth/iron ore or other metals are available.

I.E. No armor resources in deserts or steppes

**antisocialmunky** · 08-25-2007, 14:17

That would be a cool wat to do it but somewhat hard. You'd need to get the script to check for what locations have your resource(in this example, I'll use Iberia) and have it recheck to figure out if you still own it. Then there are the logic issues of people importing the resources or rich people buying resources personally or having armour commisioned. I mean, you do get alot of fancy armours from the steppes. The only reason you don't see uber armour on desert units is the heat. Even then there are the exant specimens of Egyptian scale armour.

**Grothaal** · 10-17-2007, 21:43

Originally Posted by Patriote

So basically, you're asking that one of the Romani team member spend time doing the new model of Lorica segmentata, because I presume it is not done so far because they've always refused to add it to the game, while knowing there's still is a lot of work to do with EB2. All this for what? Something that would cost 80K + 40 turns and that would be used by less than 1% of the players. Totally useless and time consuming in my opinion.

You Lorica segmentata fans should get together and start a mod that will give you the possibility of equipping your legionnaries with this armor

If a player wish he can replace a unit with other mod I guess, without a major dificulty.

I am thinking in replacing the spartan unit of my EB with a more good looking one (as historical as possible without the cone-bronze-heads and 'babylon' beards), will be my first modding contact i guess. :)

**hellenes** · 10-21-2007, 05:54

Originally Posted by Grothaal

If a player wish he can replace a unit with other mod I guess, without a major dificulty.

I am thinking in replacing the spartan unit of my EB with a more good looking one (as historical as possible without the cone-bronze-heads and 'babylon' beards), will be my first modding contact i guess. :)

As disturbing as it is its 100% historical...and this is a Greek guy telling you this...Ive seen dozens of vase paintings in museums here...

**Grothaal** · 10-23-2007, 03:27

:) They are good models, but in this case i choose to go a little a-historical, and went lets say in a more 'romantic' way, lol

Replaced the unit with the ATG models of bronze spartans :) They look good, and MEAN!!!! hehehehe

Greeks are my favourite faction, eventough i am a italian-french-spanish descendant, lol

**hellenes** · 10-25-2007, 05:09

Originally Posted by Grothaal

:) They are good models, but in this case i choose to go a little a-historical, and went lets say in a more 'romantic' way, lol

Replaced the unit with the ATG models of bronze spartans :) They look good, and MEAN!!!! hehehehe

Greeks are my favourite faction, eventough i am a italian-french-spanish descendant, lol

If you like MEAN and COOL stuff here you go:
http://lotr-tw.net/
I like keeping fantasy separate from history...

**Grothaal** · 10-25-2007, 20:05

Thats what I will install next, only didnt installed yet because of lack of HD Space, since it is made for use along with Alexander expansion, and i have installed both RTW+BI and M2tw+kingdoms, plus mods for them (EB and SS) :)

Now with Kingdoms in my rig will try the DLV mod, and have to make the needed changes to EB so its compatible with the BI.

**hellenes** · 10-25-2007, 21:10

Originally Posted by Grothaal

Thats what I will install next, only didnt installed yet because of lack of HD Space, since it is made for use along with Alexander expansion, and i have installed both RTW+BI and M2tw+kingdoms, plus mods for them (EB and SS) :)

Now with Kingdoms in my rig will try the DLV mod, and have to make the needed changes to EB so its compatible with the BI.

Install Alexander (none of this will affect EB I have EB Napoleonic2, Chivalry, LotrTW, BI, Alexander all running on same RTW base...) and then install LOTRTW after that install teh music pack...

**gamegeek2** · 10-31-2007, 21:22

The M2TW blacksmiths appear to only give 1 point of upgrade, but its more than that. I modded the game, and it actually does change it to the base values, though it does not appear so. For example

I changed it to

Leather - 4
Light Mail - 6
Heavy Mail - 8
Partial Plate - 10
Full Plate - 11
Advanced Plate - 13

I'm sure you could do it, too...

**Lusted** · 10-31-2007, 21:33

No it doesn't, whilst appearing to only give +1 according to the unit card, it does infact give +2/2.5 per level for each upgrade. It does not follow the armour level progression. I was part of a group of people here who did extensive testing to find this out.