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    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
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    Default Re: Aressting because of hate speach

    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore
    How many bombs have blown up in Denmark lately?

    Anyway, I do not have a problem with what your analogy, I see that as part of the free speech thingy. Solutions to that problem would be:

    1. Debating against you/educated the people to believe that you are wrong.
    2. Safety measures towards those who would be affected by any violence.

    I won't under any circumstance support punishing people for what they say. That goes for the KKK, Al Qaida wannabes, Nazi's, red brigades, etc. too. I don't like them or their views, I may even hate them both, but I won't support legal action against their ideas. There are two reasons for this:

    1. I don't think it's effective(unless, of course, we're talking in a big brother scale, but I certainly don't want that).
    2. It's a principle thing.
    Aaah, but there was an attack planned for Britain, correct? Personally, I think you're guaranteeing yourself a hatful of trouble if you codify your laws such that inciting violence is only a crime if you're successful.

    That being said, I salute you for your Voltaire like absolutist view of free speech. I assume you are okay with yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater as an expression of free speech?
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    Default Re: Aressting because of hate speach

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Aaah, but there was an attack planned for Britain, correct? Personally, I think you're guaranteeing yourself a hatful of trouble if you codify your laws such that inciting violence is only a crime if you're successful.

    That being said, I salute you for your Voltaire like absolutist view of free speech. I assume you are okay with yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater as an expression of free speech?
    That's public disturbance and being an idiot, it has nothing to do with the political debate and as such isn't part of free speech. Remember, free speech protects political statements(yes, bombing a place is political), not whether you can yell "LALALALALA" into the ears of strangers for hours.

    Back on topic, I'm mostly concerned with where this may lead. Let's take an example:

    I'm reading the paper at work, and it says that Bush has been an idiot again. I say that somebody ought to whack that idiot(both things happen far too often), and we all laugh at the president. However, one of the guys I work with turns out to be an idiot too. And he doesn't like Bush either. So, at that moment, he decides he should whack Mr. Bush. He kills him, gets caught, and the police ask him where he got the idea. He says that he got the idea when I said that someone should do it. Suddenly, I'm stuck behind bars for 100 years.

    That's not a world I want to live in.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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