Macedonia Help Please

[Certus]

Hi there,

New to EB and I would like to thank everyone for the great work! I have been playing other mods for a while now, but I am having the most fun so far with this one. It is easily the most in depth and I love the history work that has gone into it. Thank you.

Just a few questions regarding my current campagin and I hope they havent been answered before.

1) Does anyone know when the macedonian reformed phalanx is available? What MIC level do you need?

2)Can you hire armoured merc elephants? Can you build them anywhere?

3) I am a bit confused with the government buildings, is there a big difference in the number of buildings available as it becomes more advanced later on?

4)What the highest government level (ie 1 or 2) I can have so I can recruit Cretan archers?


Thanks for your help!

[Ravenic]

1. As I understand it, it happens once a city in Italy becomes a Huge City...or perhaps it was the Marius Reforms. I can't remember exactly, but it's not linked to an MIC level. Personally, the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi aren't anything that great, they only have one more defense then regular Pez. as I recall.

2. No, you can't hire them. You can recruit them however with a level 3 or 4 government in certain provinces in Africa and the Far-East

3. Government buildings are mainly there for A) Unit recruitment, since they determine how high your barracks can go, B) The bonus' they give, and C) Roleplay value.

4. I think your best bit is a level 3 governement on Crete, if playing as Macedonia which you seem to be.

[Certus]

Thanks Ravenic,

Sorry for the confusion, I am playing as Macedonia, I had a look for Armoured Elephants and where they can be built in the unit index cards, but for some reason they wernt on there. Thanks for your help though. I have searched the forums for a list that tells you how many levels of MIC you can have for each government, but I cant seem to find one. Can you directme to the right place if there is one?

Thanks for your help

[Kull]

Thanks Ravenic,

Sorry for the confusion, I am playing as Macedonia, I had a look for Armoured Elephants and where they can be built in the unit index cards, but for some reason they wernt on there. Thanks for your help though. I have searched the forums for a list that tells you how many levels of MIC you can have for each government, but I cant seem to find one. Can you directme to the right place if there is one?

Thanks for your help

One of the features of the system is that we can alter the levels from one faction to another. But as a general rule it works something like this:

Type 1 - Max MIC Levels are Faction 5 and Regional 1
Type 2 - F4 and R2
Type 3 - F3 and R3
Type 4 - F1 and R5

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

1- I don't think Makedon gets any new phalanx units, only mobile spearmen units.

2- Makedon only gets unarmored Indian elephants.

3- There are more advanced buildings available to a Type1 than there are to a Type4 (with ranges in between).

4- Makedon cannot make a Type1 in Crete, but I think you'll need a Type3 anyways.



Isn't it:
Type 1 - F5 and R2
Type 2 - F4 and R3
Type 3 - F3 and R4
Type 4 - F2 and R5
?

[Ravenic]

He's refering to the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi, Marcus.

[Horst Nordfink]

What about if you're playing as Rome? What level do you need to create Cretan Archers?

[Tellos Athenaios]

You'd be fine with a type 4 govt. Upgrade your MIC's to the level you need, destroy the govt, institute the preferred govt... and see: you can still recruit your beloved Cretans!

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

You'd be fine with a type 4 govt. Upgrade your MIC's to the level you need, destroy the govt, institute the preferred govt... and see: you can still recruit your beloved Cretans!

...for now.

[Kralizec]

I'm postively sure that Makedonia can recruit Cretans with their factional MIC.

Does anyone know when the macedonian reformed phalanx is available? What MIC level do you need?

This requires the old Marian reforms trigger, wich happens when a city in Italy besides Rome reaches huge city level. In one of my Mak campaigns it happened between 240-230 IIRC. If you don't want to wait that long, you can take Taras from the Epeirotes and build it up yourself.

I've played with them a bit, they're a bit better then standard Pezhetairoi but cost only marginally more. They have +1 armour and +1 for their sword attack. They seem to be available pretty much everywhere (same as P. Deuteroi?)

The weird thing is that I was still able to recruit the old Pezhetairoi and silver shields afterwards.

[Tellos Athenaios]

AFAIK: all Vanilla reforms based units are an add on to your regular unit roster....

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

1) Does anyone know when the macedonian reformed phalanx is available? What MIC level do you need?

As stated above, when the Vanilla Marian reforms happen. In my campaign this was around 235BC. You need a level 4 factional MIC, but if you already have one, you will have to upgrade in this province.

The Hysteroi Pez. and the Argyraspidai are a bit unbalanced and I don't know what stats they have in your build. Just make sure they both have an armour value of 12, not 10.

[Ice]

Can't you recruit Cretan Archers in Southern Italy, as Rome?

[Ravenic]

Nope. 99% sure that Romans can only get them with a high regional MIC in Crete.