The Complete EDU Guide - Discussion

[Red Spot]

the only thing I can spot on the go is that in vanilla Rome (guessing its the same for BI) every unit except siege-engines has the atribute;
-hide_forest, or
-hide_improved_forest

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**5 minutes and to custom-battles further down the line ....**

Mak you again are the finder of little oddities ..;)
see my lvl3 archer here, hadnt even noticed this before;


I can assure you they "can sap" as do their lvl2 brothers wich also show they can .... (similair units-stats, but +1attack, +2armour)

the stats;

type             roman archer auxillia
dictionary       roman_archer_auxillia      ; Archer Auxilia
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          roman_archer_auxillia, 50, 0, 0.4
officer          roman_early_standard
mount_effect     elephant +8
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap
formation        0.8, 1.2, 1.2, 1.6, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         8, 1, arrow, 170, 50, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         3, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  8, 5, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      2, 0, 3, 1
stat_mental      10, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 260, 80, 40, 60, 260
ownership        roman


type             roman archer auxillia ii
dictionary       roman_archer_auxillia_ii      ; Archer Auxilia II
category         infantry
class            missile
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          roman_archer_auxillia_ii, 50, 0, 0.5
officer          roman_standard
mount_effect     elephant +8
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, hardy
formation        0.8, 1.2, 1.2, 1.6, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         9, 1, arrow, 180, 60, missile, archery, piercing, none, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         3, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  10, 6, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      2, 0, 3, 1
stat_mental      12, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 320, 100, 50, 75, 320
ownership        roman

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[Aradan]

Red Spot, I think the dissappearence of your "can sap" there is because there are no more 'abilities' slots left. The last slot of your Legionary Archers' abilities is taken by "hardy".

[Red Spot]

reading between the lines I take it that you mean I can only assigne 4 atributes, or do you mean only 4 will show up in the "at a glance" bit??

anyway as example an "vanilla" upgraded general;

type             carthaginian general's cavalry
dictionary       carthaginian_generals_cavalry      ; General's Armoured Bodyguard
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          carthaginian_royal_cavalry, 12, 0, 1
mount            generals horse
mount_effect     elephant -8, camel -4
attributes       sea_faring, general_unit, hide_forest, hardy, general_unit_upgrade
formation        1.5, 4, 3, 6, 3, square
stat_health      2, 0
stat_pri         11, 6, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         12, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 7, 0, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        0
stat_ground      0, 1, -6, -1
stat_mental      10, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 40
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1040, 80, 110, 160, 1040
ownership        carthage, spain, numidia

thats 5 atributes, though ofcourse most normally dont show up in the "at a glance" bit ...

more testing to do .......


Edit;
still havent done the archer thing, but there are a few things I've experianced in combat based on a few simple EDU tweaks that I tought might be interesting, dont know for sure if I should post it here .... anyway ..

-setting charge distance for regular infantry to something like 15 and spear to ~5 makes them charge in a much smoother "grouped" fashion, keeping unit formation intact even in the charge, even with my formation withs (0.8,1.2inf--0.8,0.8spear)
I was actually impressed by their charge and it "seemed"(untested) to reflect in combat-results as well


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