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    Default Who did you like the most?

    When it came to military strategy

    Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, or Antoine-Henri Jomini (my close favortie to Sun Tzu, Clause isn't bad imo)..

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    I like Sun Tsu the best of them.
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    Default Re: Who did you like the most?

    Sun Tzu is up there along with Henry V, Rommel, and Guderian
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    I'd put my fav's (from first to last favourites) Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Antoine-Henri Jomini.

    R we able to say other war heroes as well or is these the only 3 to choose from?

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    None of the above.

    I'm a Macchiavelli Man.


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    Default Re: Who did you like the most?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orb
    None of the above.

    I'm a Macchiavelli Man.

    Hey,
    I think I heard of Macchiavelli once or twice, but not much. I look him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    Hey,
    I think I heard of Macchiavelli once or twice, but not much. I look him up.
    I haven't really read much about military strategy, but I did find Machiavelli's works very interesting to read. At least his Art of War should be available from Project Gutenberg, if you can't find a paper version.

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    Default Re: Who did you like the most?

    He wrote an Art of War? hmmm...

    It's not on Gutenberg, at least.

    Edit: actually, it is. Under "Machiavelli, volume 1".
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    Default Re: Who did you like the most?

    Intersting. I look it up :-).

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    Macchiavelli was a philosopher who never lead any army other than a citizen militia.

    I would rather follow Rommel when he was a lt in WWI, or Ceasar in Gaul, or Fredrick the Great in Europe, or Hannibal across the Alps or Captain McKinnon into a terrorist stronghold(you dont know him).

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    Sun Tzu all the way....
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    Ol' Machi is best (in my opinion) for dealing with coworkers or soldiers that are in competition with you for promotion. As for tactics and such, I wouldn't trust him, not that I recall there being any tactics in The Prince. Reading Caesar's Gaulic War is in the same boat but certainly more applicable for military purposes.

    I find Rommel the best to analyze for armoured warfare and light infantry. He really liked to always attack, find weak points and exploit them but a strong defense could and did defeat him. For defenses I like looking at Vauban's works, though he looks into 17th century fortresses there is some usable depth in it that can be applied to current warfare styles though.

    Sun Tzu is nice reading but I never really apply stuff from his book, it all seems to common sense, perhaps that's why it's so good to read.

    Still planning to read Guderian's memoirs, just haven't gotten around to it.

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    Clausewitz's philosophy is great! e.g.:

    Defined Military Power as:
    - “one of the instruments with which political power is originally created and made permanent.”
    - It “expresses and implements the power of the state in a variety of ways…”
    - War is “the continuation of politics by other means.”

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    I wrote a term paper on him a few months ago. Great stuff, just GREAT.


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    none of them
    Sun Tzu is great but his book don't answer on some smart questions.
    I like John Charles Chodkiewicz - Great Lithuanian Hetman, undefeated general of XVII century. One of the biggest general of that bloody era.

    For 62 years of his life he keep winning. He died from plague during battle of Chocim when polish-cossack army defeated Ottoman army for first time from 150 years. His skills were admired even by his enemies.
    Some of his most interesting victories.

    1) White Stone - biały kamień; 2000 Poles crush 7000 Swedens
    2) Kircholm - 3500 Poles cursh 12 Swedens
    3)Defense of Riga
    4) Chocim - 48000 Poles and Cossacks stop 120.000 Turks. Poles and Cossacks loose 14000 men, Turks 40.000
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    Sun Tuz is deffently up their, I'm also a Lee, Mansteen and a fan of Charles XII tactics although not his strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrooK
    none of them
    Sun Tzu is great but his book don't answer on some smart questions.
    I like John Charles Chodkiewicz - Great Lithuanian Hetman, undefeated general of XVII century. One of the biggest general of that bloody era.

    For 62 years of his life he keep winning. He died from plague during battle of Chocim when polish-cossack army defeated Ottoman army for first time from 150 years. His skills were admired even by his enemies.
    Some of his most interesting victories.

    1) White Stone - biały kamień; 2000 Poles crush 7000 Swedens
    2) Kircholm - 3500 Poles cursh 12 Swedens
    3)Defense of Riga
    4) Chocim - 48000 Poles and Cossacks stop 120.000 Turks. Poles and Cossacks loose 14000 men, Turks 40.000


    2) Kircholm - 3500 Poles cursh 12 Swedens



    only 12??


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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    2) Kircholm - 3500 Poles cursh 12 Swedens



    only 12??


    88888888

    typo,sorry.


    but Yeah, I still Believe in Jomini Tatcs. But Sun Tzu did answer alot of stuff, but yea, not everything,Krook.

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    Carl von Clausewitz or Sun Tzu.
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    Patton. There has never been a truerer American. Tough as nails arrogant as hell ego the size of Texas and distrustful of Europeans and commies. What a great man
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    Quote Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888
    only 12??
    Actually, the precise number of Swedish soldiers in the battle is known: 10868.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Patton. There has never been a truerer American. Tough as nails arrogant as hell ego the size of Texas and distrustful of Europeans and commies. What a great man
    Patton is in a league of his own; he was a great general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Patton. There has never been a truerer American. Tough as nails arrogant as hell ego the size of Texas and distrustful of Europeans and commies. What a great man
    Wrong. Didn't trust the BRITISH - especially this pompous prick Monty, but was a francophile - don't forget it, please.

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    12000

    btw he took part into battle of Kockenhausen too
    he commander polish flank who broke enemy
    as a result
    2500 Poles vs 5000 Swedens and polish heroic victory
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Jan III Sobieski
    Patton is in a league of his own; he was a great general.
    P.S. Pershing was great, too...from what I've read.

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    Edward IV of England simply because he fought 38 battles in his life, won all of them, and yet gets nowhere near as much credit as Edward III and Henry V.

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    Manstein of course..

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    Musashi.
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    While others aspire to perform meritorious services
    Concentrate on purity of intent
    While those around you are beset by egoism


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    i know there was a book written by Liang Zhuge that i read a while back called the advancements of war or what not but it seemed like he knew what he was doing.... though

    My favorite strategist would have to be rommel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Patton. There has never been a truerer American. Tough as nails arrogant as hell ego the size of Texas and distrustful of Europeans and commies. What a great man
    he liked some english people hated the crap outa montgomery though
    Tho' I've belted you an' flayed you,
    By the livin' Gawd that made you,
    You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkarinen
    i know there was a book written by Liang Zhuge that i read a while back called the advancements of war or what not but it seemed like he knew what he was doing.... though

    My favorite strategist would have to be rommel
    Zhuge Liang is practically a mythological figure in Asia, so he had to have done something right.

    Still, the tactics he used, as well as all great Chinese leaders, were derived from Sun Tzu's work. Sun Tzu was the original gangsta.
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