Why Bush/Chenney must be impeached

[Gregoshi]

Who's Chenney?

Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.

[Whacker]

Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.

Ever play Unreal Tournament or Counter-strike? Every time I hear about that I can't help but think of this sound clip. Bonus link to the rest of the UT sounds.

Also itchy, your sig is entirely appropriate for this conversation.

Honestly, I'm still pissed at all the Dems that we voted in just for the sake of change and sending a message, and the huge striding leaps they've made moving forward to fixing a lot of the problems with our government. /dripping sarcasm

[Zaknafien]

Ive already written both of my Senators and congressman pleading with them to support the recent Censure measures.

[Xiahou]

Ive already written both of my Senators and congressman pleading with them to support the recent Censure measures.

It's no wonder the Democrats came out with this censure notion. It allows them to pander to their fringe by passing a meaningless resolution, while not actually doing anything binding. That seems to be their hallmark of late.

[Zaknafien]

meaningless? the historical record must be set. That the American people are not in favor of these madmen in office. For their numerous crimes against this country and others, as well as their disregard for the Constitution.

[Csargo]

Ever play Unreal Tournament or Counter-strike? Every time I hear about that I can't help but think of this sound clip. Bonus link to the rest of the UT sounds.

Also itchy, your sig is entirely appropriate for this conversation.

Honestly, I'm still pissed at all the Dems that we voted in just for the sake of change and sending a message, and the huge striding leaps they've made moving forward to fixing a lot of the problems with our government. /dripping sarcasm

You're going to have to wait it out for the long haul(what less than a year?) It seems like a waste of time to impeach them at this point. Maybe a year or two ago, but at this point it seems well pointless.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

High Crimes and misdemeanors require intent.

I have seen no effective evidence of an intent that rises to the impeachable.

Questions of competence are not grounds for impeachment -- though pressure on the incompetent to resign may be brought to bear.



However, in terms of political capital, there is much to be lost in an attempt to impeach and convict Bush and little for the Democrats to gain thereby. It will not, therefore, happen -- though they may throw any number of sops to their base to placate them.

[Whacker]

You're going to have to wait it out for the long haul(what less than a year?) It seems like a waste of time to impeach them at this point. Maybe a year or two ago, but at this point it seems well pointless.

They can still do a lot of damage in that year or two.

[Zaknafien]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_y-plh274

[Devastatin Dave]

Dick "Shotgun" Chenney is the Vice President who went Quayle hunting and shot the wrong guy in the face.

I still don't recall a Vice President named Dick Chenney.

[Csargo]

I still don't recall a Vice President named Dick Chenney.

I also wonder who these fellows are.

[Gregoshi]

I still don't recall a Vice President named Dick Chenney.

Ah, you're doing the spelling thing. Cheney, not Chenney. No matter how you spell it, he's still Dick.

[Ice]

Once again, blah blah blah, Politics. There is no way an impeachment measure would ever pass. Unless the president openly commits treason or murder, he isn't going anywhere no matter how much you hate him. You might as well hold your breath.

The democrats would never start impeachment due to the facts:

A) It would never pass, they don't have enough support
B) The Republicans would seek revenge. No more playing nice between the two parties.

[Divinus Arma]

Another classic rant, as eloquently detailed in the Orgah Summations.

[Brenus]

There are no reasons for impeachment. G.W. Bush didn’t have consensual sex with a adult woman, he just lied to sent his own soldiers to died for his own vanity and interests of the Military Industry Complex… These are honourable goals… Making money on others blood is not so bad… To play on honourable patriotic feeling of your citizens to lead them in an un-useful war is common and accepted by all countries…

“The Republicans would seek revenge" Nice bit of humour

[KafirChobee]

The intent to allow Executive privilege was to allow the President to converse freely with his advisors on national security issues and international affairs - and the likes. It was not intended to allow a Prez to hide everything he and his subordinates were doing (especially those things associated with congressional oversight committees) - invoking national security for everything - or to cover-up their misdeeds.

When every memo from every Cabinet member of a Presidentcy is labelled "classified", when a VP classifes all his inter-office memos (even those issued to release information), when the President envelopes his entire staff and cabinet to be included under a veil of "executive privilege" - then he has in fact broken the law.

Bush is attempting to extend Executive privilege into perpetuity:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/pdbnews/index.htm
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/pdbnews/20050715.htm
This pertains to withholding documents from the LBJ's era concerning Vietnam (circa 1967); but the purpose is much more sinister in that if allowed it would set the precident to keep embarrassing documents from the Reagan, Bush41, and Bush43 from ever reaching the eyes of the public.

The Republicans were against executive privilege, before they were for it - that is, when Clinton was Prez:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/..._i_was_for_it/
When it is seen in a political light, the GOPists oppose executive privilege - same-o-same-o when for it. Seems hypocritical, but what the hey - DC politics as usual. I suppose.

Then there is the Nixon arguement for it, and concessions to Congress:
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/...emocrac/72.htm

Then we have the ACLU's view point, which neo-cons will see as a liberal attack on freedom (what an oxymoronic that train of thought is):
"ACLU: Bush thumbing his nose at the constitution"
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/a...humbsNose.html

Then we have the recent contempt of congress involving Harriet Miers (former canidate to the Supreme Court - gah) - and others. Now here i do believe that the Republican plan for retribution is more sensible than the Dems - since the Dems relys on the (un)Justice Department of Gonzales to allow it to for forward.

Regardless, the Bushys have pushed past the envelope concerning Executive privilege - they've even surpassed Nixon in their subverting the law for their own purpose and to conceal any wrong doings.
To allow the Bushys to continue unimpeeded will permit all future Presidents to use Bush43's antics to justify the empowerment any inaction by Congress has given him. If it goes unchallanged now - it becomes a defacto law.

Regardless of the future actions brought against the next presidentcy to curtail it - the precident will be set. Believing it is to late, or not in our best interest to impeach a President for subverting and breaking the law (Constitution) is irrational. For, had the GOPist congresses of 2002 - 2006 been doing their job to uphold the laws and oversee the presidentcy - none of this would be necessary. But, they didn't - and now it is necessary for someone to uphold the law and impeach those responsable for subverting it.

Contempt for the law and arrogance of power, must not be rewarded with silence.

[Devastatin Dave]

Ah, you're doing the spelling thing. Cheney, not Chenney. No matter how you spell it, he's still Dick.

Sorry, I just thought that if someone was going to have a thread with an incoherent rant about nonimpeachable offences, not only that, but asking Congress to waste more money on more silly "investigations", spelling the name of the accused should be more accurate. I'd hate for Dick Chenney, manure farmer in West Bumtitty, New Mexico get a summons to meet with a Congressional hearing, even though about the same amount of importance and evidence would be involved if they did it against the VP. Yawn...

[Zaknafien]

uh, "silly"? you define flagrant violation of US law as silly?

[Ice]

uh, "silly"? you define flagrant violation of US law as silly?

I would define trying to impeach Bush silly. Regardless if the man is guilty or not, it is never going to happen.

[Zaknafien]

Why do you think it couldnt happen? A number of towns (and growing) have already impeached him. More and more Republican senators are turning against him as a result of the illegal and mismanaged war, and his mindless backing of a criminal Attorney General is leaving him more isolated than ever.