too many turtle defending guys here think that confrontation between turtle and hare will be like battle of elite "turtle" army againts some peasants. but from where turtle will get their amy in such short time, having 5 territories, 4 cities and 1 castle. did everybody thinks that rusher will wait untill 70 turn so you can have ballista towers and citadel. if english turtle with london, nothingam,york, caen and brugge will lose london in 25 turn it will be end for him.