Stronger Player - Turtle vs. Hare

[phonicsmonkey]

I'd happily take on the pizzaguy one-on-one - it would be a good fight.

It wouldn't provide any test of this theory though, as I am neither a committed turtle nor an all-out blitzer.

But I wonder how auto-calc'ing all battles would affect the blitzer.

As I understand it auto-calc takes no account of walls or other defences (so no opportunity for bottlenecks, use of terrain etc.), and is purely a mechanism based on the "quality" of the units.

In that case isn't it a possibility that a high-quality stack of the turtler's finest upgraded troops could hold off several low-grade militia stacks sent by the blitzer?

Especially, I would have thought, if he can take them on one at a time...

[_Tristan_]

From what I experienced in Hotseat games, I think the advantage will go to the blitzer up to the point that it is a 1v1 match and no other party interfering, otherwise blitzing is a risky strategy if you have not the power (in money and men) to back it up... In the Kingdoms Hotseat that went down the drain, I blitzed all rebel settlements within striking distance and managed to hold up the Jihading armies of Egypt by striking fast in response to aggression...

The only exception to the above would be factions with starting positions such as Scotland and Denmark (with only one challenger at the start)

Moreover, sieges in autocalc are a blitzer's friend as walls are not taken into account and you can get them open with a single siege engine (catapult,...) or after one turn at the most (time to build rams or else)...

[Cpt_oo7]

You guys seem to be forgeting that most people don't like the hare.

I'm going to assume that everyone is playing as a different faction. When humans are allied with one and another they tend to be more modest and helpful. In order for the hare to stay alive he has to keep pushing in order to supplie himself. The hare can't be trusted by anyone and is a threat to other blitzers, thus the are targets for everyone. Recently I was playing RTW as Dacia, I took out thrace, Macedonia, and Scythia quick (turn 20 or less, can't remember). But now that left me at war with neighboring Armeina, Greece, Germania, and Brutii, who all attacked me. I was the blitzer and they where neither the turtle, nor the hare, but the AI. But that left me wondering after I saw this thread: What would have happened if they where humans and allied?

I, the blitzer, would have been outnumberd and dead. Especially senice I rushed poor thrance and took them out on turn 3 it exposed me as a major threat. Yes the blitzer has the upper cards in the first rounds but eventually humans will come together to destroy the bigger threat then fight over it for themselfs.


For some reason why are we only useing WWII tatics here? Blitzing can be countered. I can see many moments in history where blitzers got destoryed (Napolens retreat from moscow is about the only I can think of but i'm trying to think about the punic wars and mongol defeats).

When you're playing as the person who trys to defeat the blitzer you have to remember that the blitzer relies on 1 thing: Resources. Without there resources they are useless and will cripple very easily. I was playing as Ireland on kingdoms when I conquered all of Ireland and wondered what to do next. Welsh where my allies so I decided to try something different, I built up atleast 1 stack of assisians and spys and started sabotogeing everything I saw. Wales conquered everything to london until I got bored and quit that game.

Anyways thats just my

[Cheetah]

You guys seem to be forgeting that most people don't like the hare.

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I, the blitzer, would have been outnumberd and dead.

That is true, but there are regions where one can rush without much interference. For example, if you blitz the Turks (and then Byzantines) with Egpyt then there is only a few factions (Venice or perhaps Hungary) that might interfere. Same holds for the Iberian peninsula (like Spain rushing the Moors and Portugal), or for Russia vs Poland/baltikum.