New factions?

[Strategos Alexandros]

AFAIK Emporion and Arse would be part of a Massalian faction if there was one so I suppose it could be a contender.

[russia almighty]

The 52 factions thing can be done in BI.


RTR is doing it.


Before you call the lynch squad, isn't the base for M2TW RTW-BI?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

The key to the whole thing is that you cannot have 52 factions at the same time.

[Ludens]

The 52 factions thing can be done in BI.

RTR is doing it.

Before you call the lynch squad, isn't the base for M2TW RTW-BI?

Nope, they've got 20 factions. It's just that one of these factions differs depending on what faction the player chooses to play with. It adds up to 36 potential factions, IIRC.

The M2:TW engine is indeed based on a modified version of the R:TW engine.

I thought they were its' colonies?

As I recall it, Emporion was indeed a colony of Massalia, but this does not imply that they formed a single entity. IIRC when Massalia went to war with Carthage, Emporion remained neutral. This does not suggest a strong bond.

[Krusader]

AFAIK Emporion and Arse would be part of a Massalian faction if there was one so I suppose it could be a contender.

Nope

[Strategos Alexandros]

I thought they were its' colonies?

[Krusader]

I thought they were its' colonies?

Was in a hurry, but then forgot to go back and change.

Yes, Arse & Emporion were colonies of Massilia, but in a similar way as Taras was a Spartan colony and Syracuse a Corinthian. There were ties between them, but from what Sarcasm found out, that when Carthage & the Etruscans allied to expel the Greeks from Alalia in Corsica (which they did) Arse & Emporion sent no ships to aid Massilia.
So this shows they were most likely independent from Massilia.

[Jolt]

Was in a hurry, but then forgot to go back and change.

Yes, Arse & Emporion were colonies of Massilia, but in a similar way as Taras was a Spartan colony and Syracuse a Corinthian. There were ties between them, but from what Sarcasm found out, that when Carthage & the Etruscans allied to expel the Greeks from Alalia in Corsica (which they did) Arse & Emporion sent no ships to aid Massilia.
So this shows they were most likely independent from Massilia.

I wonder how did Sarcasm came to get that information? As far as I'm aware documents about that war are very sketchy.

[Sarcasm]

Magic. Or reading the classics. One or the other.

[Aodhan]

I have been thinking about the Koinon Hellenon argument – league or balkanization. While I recognize representing them, as a unified league isn’t wholly accurate it is still quite possibly the best way to represent them in light of the limitations imposed by the Total War system. If Koinon Hellenon is broken into it’s constituent city states it would end up as several independent and static states which would essentially be little more than minor speed bumps (with the exception of Rhodes which would be a slightly larger speed bump) for human players. Since the Total War system does not permit creation of a loose confederation with shifting alliances, agreements and conflicts such as Hellas was at the time. If divided into so many independent states Hellas would not produce its historical center of political and economic gravity and seriously impact play balance. In short an over-centralized Koinon Hellenon is better for game play than a bunch of speed bumps.

[Jolt]

Magic. Or reading the classics. One or the other.

It'd be more useful if one would actually post the name of the classic work which has that information.

For all I know, you could have seen it in a universitary thesis.

I'm not so sure magic did it though.

[Strategos Alexandros]

Was in a hurry, but then forgot to go back and change.

Yes, Arse & Emporion were colonies of Massilia, but in a similar way as Taras was a Spartan colony and Syracuse a Corinthian. There were ties between them, but from what Sarcasm found out, that when Carthage & the Etruscans allied to expel the Greeks from Alalia in Corsica (which they did) Arse & Emporion sent no ships to aid Massilia.
So this shows they were most likely independent from Massilia.

Bit late, but you learn something new every day.

[HamilcarBarca]

Yes, Arse & Emporion were colonies of Massilia, but in a similar way as Taras was a Spartan colony and Syracuse a Corinthian. There were ties between them, but from what Sarcasm found out, that when Carthage & the Etruscans allied to expel the Greeks from Alalia in Corsica (which they did) Arse & Emporion sent no ships to aid Massilia.

While Massalia and Emporion were both colonies of the Phocaean Greeks, the city of Arse(ken)-Saguntum was actually an indigenous Iberian settlement - NOT a Greek settlement.

H.

[Hax]

Perhaps the Phocaeans subjugated the city and took it over?

[Aodhan]

Krusader just said essentially what I was going to say about Massalia but he beat me to it.