New factions?

[Styles]

Yes I know Ludens.

the Cimbrii/Teutons/Ambrones could have been still in Juteland in 275 and not all of them left. They arrived at the alps in 113 BC thats a lot of time to reach the south and the Suebi/Suevi arrived in Gallia 71 BC so same could be said about them regarding the "wandering tribe"

[Ludens]

the Cimbrii/Teutons/Ambrones could have been still in Juteland in 275 and not all of them left. They arrived at the alps in 113 BC thats a lot of time to reach the south and the Suebi/Suevi arrived in Gallia 71 BC so same could be said about them regarding the "wandering tribe"

Wasn't that just a mercenary army? Because IIRC the Marcomanni (who were part of the Suebi confederacy) were still in Germany and a later point and considered to be even more of a threat than the Arminius and his Cherusi.

I think the problem with the Cimbri and even more the Teutons is that so little is known about them. Since they were on the move, they must have been driven out, which implies that they weren't powerful. Yes, they gave the Romans a scare, but this was probably due to sheer numbers and Roman incompetence rather than the Cimbri being inherently powerful.

[Styles]

Ariovistus was a leader of the Suebi and other allied Germanic peoples in the second quarter of the 1st century BC. He and his followers took part in a war in Gaul, assisting the Arverni and Sequani to defeat their rivals the Aedui, and settled in large numbers in conquered Gallic territory in the Alsace region, but were defeated in the Battle of Vosges and driven back over the Rhine in 58 BC by Julius Caesar.


"Some time before 100 BC many of the Cimbri, as well as the Teutones and Ambrones migrated south-east. After several unsuccessful battles with the Boii and other Celtic tribes, they appeared ca 113 BC in Noricum, where they invaded the lands of one of Rome's allies, the Taurisci."


According to the Res gestae (ch. 26) of Augustus, the Cimbri were still found in the area around the turn of the Common Era:

“ My fleet sailed from the mouth of the Rhine eastward as far as the lands of the Cimbri, to which, up to that time, no Roman had ever penetrated either by land or by sea, and the Cimbri and Charydes and Semnones and other peoples of the Germans of that same region through their envoys sought my friendship and that of the Roman people. ”

The contemporary Greek geographer Strabo testifies that the Cimbri still existed as a Germanic tribe, presumably in the "Cimbric peninsula" (since they are said to live by the North Sea and to have paid tribute to Augustus):

“ As for the Cimbri, some things that are told about them are incorrect and others are extremely improbable. For instance, one could not accept such a reason for their having become a wandering and piratical folk as this that while they were dwelling on a Peninsula they were driven out of their habitations by a great flood-tide; for in fact they still hold the country which they held in earlier times; and they sent as a present to Augustus the most sacred kettle in their country, with a plea for his friendship and for an amnesty of their earlier offences, and when their petition was granted they set sail for home; and it is ridiculous to suppose that they departed from their homes because they were incensed on account of a phenomenon that is natural and eternal, occurring twice every day. And the assertion that an excessive flood-tide once occurred looks like a fabrication, for when the ocean is affected in this way it is subject to increases and diminutions, but these are regulated and periodical. "