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[dedalonur9]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

[Havok.]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

Ja.

[Zarax]

thanks! I create a 3d in that section and attend the permission

hallo!

I just hope you will make the unit a bit lighter, unless you want to represent the nuragic nobles, in that case you would need to move the unit up in the local MIC.

[dedalonur9]

what is the local mic? .............I presume THE Sardinian army

I want to create the heavy infantry and the cavalry.....
these last ones could be recruited from the punic.........historically they formed an alliance against the Roman (Ampsicora.... Josto......for example...)

f I succeed to us I improve the shardanam of E.b in order to render them more similar to the statues…

[Zarax]

Local MIC = native barracks = troops that are recruited among the original population of the area.
So yes, the Nuragic army...
In any case I wouldn't mind seeing some improvements, pride aside they were still considered quite tougher than in EB description even after the punic wars: "Gaudentes et exsultantes, si taliter se in ferinas species transformaverint. Ut homis non esse videantur."

It's just too bad that every academic that studied the nuragic civilization that I queried about taking a look at EB always refused to be even hinted in being involved in something close to a computer game, it would have been so much easier for everybody...

EDIT: BTW, Cavalry? I really don't see the basis for a native cavalry force, at least not in numbers.
Sardinian geography is not exactly the best for warhorses and back then there still was only the native breed (the native ponies were and still are rugged marchers but no chargers or real runners).
On that side you might want to have some punic civic cavalry but that's pretty much it.

[dedalonur9]

Zarax thanks for the interest that always demonstrates regarding the Nuragic civilization....

therefore you have asked for the Sardinian scholars information on this argument? who?

I'm regret. a lot for their refusal. but some of they consider their studies on that past.... sacred
others are in bad faith, and refuse also the mere hypothesis, that is hardly now making road on the Shardana… while in others you leave of the world is discussed already for a long time.

therefore I do not find their behavior strange: it is pettiness ....

[dedalonur9]

EDIT: BTW, Cavalry? I really don't see the basis for a native cavalry force, at least not in numbers.
Sardinian geography is not exactly the best for warhorses and back then there still was only the native breed (the native ponies were and still are rugged marchers but no chargers or real runners).
On that side you might want to have some punic civic cavalry but that's pretty much it.

you refer to the mini-horses of Giara.....
but those are of were them living, in Sardinia c' they were also of the little ones elephants, not establish on this..... for your conclusions....

we do not know when the horse was imported in Sardinia.

But the Sardinians for the horses have true cult. if a day you will come in Sardinia, you will see that in many countries the stables rise as an example near the houses…, Orgosolo. and it is a mountain country.

in Sardinia many festivities of Nuragic origin exist based on the horse. as an example S' Ardia.
http://www.sardiniapoint.it/1437.html

I have translate for you:
Perhaps laughed them quite to the nuragico period, as seem to indicate the presence in the sacred area of a bètilo (betilo= Bet-il house of god), said pedra de Santu Antine, that it represents a feminine divinity of the fertility rituals.
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjrP27...eature=related

Santu Antine
it is one of the greatest and Nuraghi important of the Sardinia.
http://www.fontesarda.it/imgsarde/nursan31.jpg

moreover we have various reperti that the nuragici went to horse, in a bronze statue a knight is in feet over a horse, like in other Sardinian tradition: The Pariglia
http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=vadvH4...eature=related

this is typical askos a Sardinian one, even if they call it found villanoviano vase because in Italy

this has been found in a nuragic village

the symbols of the first vase are Sardinian, and the knight has the round shield of the Sardinians

[Zarax]

Ok, just to establish a few things:
Bi chi soe Nugoresu, ja l'isco chi b'este sa e s'ardia, sa sartiglia e ja connosco santu antine.

That said: I'm not saying there weren't horses in Sardinia at the time, I'm just pointing that given the native resources I doubt that heavy horses went over what in RTW would be represented by the general's bodyguard.
Sardinian equestrian tradition on the other side developed in the middle ages, when norman and arabic horses were imported, creating the basis for today's anglo-arabo-sardo. Sa sartiglia is for example derived from earlier moorish and spanish cavalry contests, quite later than what has been represented in EB.

Once again, we need to distinguish between imported military styles (be it greek, etruscan or punic) from the native nuragic fighting style, which was not unlike the iberian one.
It is more likely that the bulk of the nuragic tribes at the time was made of lighter infantry than showed in bronze statues, wouldn't be surprised if the later mamuthones derived from those as the romans called them Sardi Peliti.

To those that aren't familiar with Sardinian folklore here's what I'm talking about:
Not exactly looking like pushovers, no?

EDIT: As I realize that this subtopic was started with thread necromancy I plead a kind moderator to move the posts to a more relevant place before closing the topic.

[bovi]

Dedalonur, please PM MarcusAureliusAntoninus.