Why Marxism will ultimately succeed - as real capitalism

[Redleg]

What I find interesting about the rant Kafir is that the industry I just started working for is unionized and can shut down the nation if the collective bargaining breaks down. Both the corporations involved in the negotations and the unions themselves have to cooperate and bring about wage, health, and retirement packages that benefit both.

ie check out the Railroad unions.

[Marshal Murat]

"The theory of the Communism may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
"From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs."
"Communism deprives no man of the ability to appropriate the fruits of his labour. The only thing it deprives him of is the ability to enslave others by means of such appropriations."
"Democracy is the road to socialism."
"Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. Working men of all countries, unite!"
-Marx-

Communism has never come to power in a country that was not disrupted by war or corruption, or both."
-JFK-

"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-Reagan-

"For us in Russia communism is a dead dog. For many people in the West, it is still a living lion."
"I have spent all my life under a Communist regime, and I will tell you that a society without any objective legal scale is a terrible one indeed. But a society with no other scale but the legal one is not quite worthy of man either."
"In our country, the lie has become not just a moral category but a pillar of the State."
-Solzhenitsyn-

"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."
-Zappa-

Then there is another one about new world order not being a new world order....

Thought I bring in some good quotes.

[Fisherking]

Actually one of the earliest experiments in socialism took place in what would become the United States. It was the Plymouth Colony. It soon failed however as people being people resented doing work for others that they saw no benefit in....

People seem to resent that! Even if the benefit is delayed or not immediately evident.

[Papewaio]

People seem to resent that! Even if the benefit is delayed or not immediately evident.

The ability to wait for a delayed benefit is also what helps people become successful in the corporate culture... particularly for those who own their own business or those who are worker bees with qualifications...

[Brenus]

Yes, it looks capitalism works in Africa, Central and South America (the success of Videla and Pinochet…), most of the Asian Countries…
Brings happyness to every body...

By the way, Marxism and Communism are not the same things. Marxism is a way to analyse economy, communism is a political movement based on suppression of private property and sources shared thought by people like Baboeuf, more than by Marx…

[Ice]

Yes, it looks capitalism works in Africa, Central and South America (the success of Videla and Pinochet…), most of the Asian Countries…
Brings happyness to every body...

There is more to it than just capitalism. I'd be willing to bet you a large sum of money that Marxism would fare worse or the same than the current market system that are in place.

[Brenus]

“I'd be willing to bet you a large sum of money that Marxism would fare worse or the same than the current market system that are in place.” We won’t know, the only time a Socialist President was elected he was killed during a coup…

But I would agree with you. There is more in these countries. It is call dictatorship… And it what was in the so-called Eastern Democracies… So Marxism is not to blame as such but dictatorships are…

[AntiochusIII]

"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
-Reagan-[emphasis mine]

lol.

Evil Empire ahahaha. Next time find someone less...vested...if you're gonna bring out Quotations Are Always Right 101.

I'm no fan of Marx and his strange ideas, but seriously. Nobody in his right mind (well, except the capitalists) would say that pure laissez-faire capitalism isn't also a dystopia in the making. The USA, bastion of rightist liberalism and all that, is a mixed economy for a reason.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

The reason capitalism doesn't work (sometimes) is because the government intervenes in such a way as to break it, for one reason or another.

[CountArach]

The reason capitalism doesn't work (sometimes) is because the government intervenes in such a way as to break it, for one reason or another.

You have GOT to be joking! That is pricisely the reason it DOES work!

[Ice]

You have GOT to be joking! That is pricisely the reason it DOES work!

According to some economists. There are many different theories.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Tariffs and the like are governments meddling in capitalism. And it's terrible. We're screwing (for instance) Brazilian farmers and ourselves over ethanol. The US farmers have made the government place a tariff on foreign ethanol that can be made more cheaply from sugar cane instead of corn.

I'd say 9 times out of 10 government intervention is worse than unrestricted capitalism. And I'm not sure about the 10th.