Sword unit for KH

[fj62]

just wondering about why no upper level sword/assault infantry type unit was included in the KH roster. i think the lack a good assault infantry, especially compared to Rome, Karthage, AS, and Macedonia. don't get me wrong i love my spartan hoplites, but hypastists (sp?) are amazing and the epilekoi hoplitia dont cut it as assault infantry. however i realize historical accuracy and game balance are important.

maybe the could be added in the next build if others agree with me.

[Foot]

If they didn't have a prominent unit such as you are speaking of in history then they will not be getting it in EB.

Personally I love it this way. What would be the use of each faction having the same type of units? As KH doesn't have a high level assault troop then I would either go looking for one in a nearby province that might have them (thrace has some great assault troops), or change my tactics so one is not required.

Foot

[Watchman]

Don't the likes of Thorakitai pretty much fill the job anyway ?

[Kampfkrebs]

simply capture some makedon/thracian settlements and be happy with your agrinian assaul infantry, or pick the taxeis triballoi.

[madmatg]

Kamp- or anyone else that know this
how do the KH get agrinian assaul infantry? i thought i could only try my regions units? like in Epiros i took over their 2 largest starting cities and had their level 4 MIC but was only able to build my own factional units. Is it possible to get some of the enemies units or is the Agrinian a normal regional unit?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Thracian Peltasts are excellant assault soldiers, and are widely available as mercenaries.

[Kampfkrebs]

Kamp- or anyone else that know this
how do the KH get agrinian assaul infantry? i thought i could only try my regions units? like in Epiros i took over their 2 largest starting cities and had their level 4 MIC but was only able to build my own factional units. Is it possible to get some of the enemies units or is the Agrinian a normal regional unit?

According to those full-of-pwnage tradecards, the agrinians are Epirus/Macedon only (yes, my bad, thought they were also availible for the KH).

But you can still take the Taxeis Triballoi, cause they are regionals.

[Tellos Athenaios]

just wondering about why no upper level sword/assault infantry type unit was included in the KH roster. i think the lack a good assault infantry, especially compared to Rome, Karthage, AS, and Macedonia. don't get me wrong i love my spartan hoplites, but hypastists (sp?) are amazing and the epilekoi hoplitia dont cut it as assault infantry. however i realize historical accuracy and game balance are important.

maybe the could be added in the next build if others agree with me.

Oh, but you seem to forget that the KH is a typical Region based faction. It doesn't really have a standarized army; in fact each polis of the league maintained it's own army. Strikingly similar; still not standarized. (As in: every polis maintain about x hoplites + y... + z... etc.)

Also; I was under the impression Hoplitai make excellent assault infantry... ? 'sides the KH do have very, very good swordsmen: Peltastai; Iphikratous Hoplitai; Thorakitai Hoplitai...

[Watchman]

I'm pretty sure both the Peltastai and Iphicrateans can be regarded as average at best in this regard; methinks you're better off with Thureophoroi, Hoplitai and Thorakitai for assault infantry.

[NeoSpartan]

...or u can go to Galatia and buy some Gaestae (sp) mercs.

[Krusader]

Or wait for 1.0 which has Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi

Actually I think the Thraikioi Peltastai can serve as assault infantry well enough. Can't remember stats but they got rhomphaias and those should thus confer AP.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I've had some awful trouble facing peltasts attacking walls. With a little bit of experience and a blacksmith upgrade, those guys are cheap enough that they can cause some major problems.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm pretty sure both the Peltastai and Iphicrateans can be regarded as average at best in this regard; methinks you're better off with Thureophoroi, Hoplitai and Thorakitai for assault infantry.

Well, not in my experience that is... though I have had some practice using/countering Peltastai to the full. Anyhow: I mentioned those as examples of good swordsmen, which they are. (At least they will rip most light/medium infantry to pieces; and carve big chunks out of heavy infantry too. You only need to use them properly, that is.) They are not assault infantry; the example I gave of those are said Hoplitai. So... what are you disagreeing about then?

[Watchman]

It would seem to me that the Peltastai, being primarily skirmishers and light infantry, and the other two being primarily phalanx troops, might not necessarily be quite the optimal choice for the parts of siege assaults people usually want something definable as "assault infantry" for, ie. taking the walls and fighting through the breaches.

The likes of Thureophoroi and Hoplitai would seem to be rather better armoured than the Peltastai, and as non-phalanx troops better statted to the grind of cramped hand-to-hand combat that now tends to characterize these actions. Ditto for the Thorakitai.

That they don't use swords but rather spears hardly makes any difference, as the overhand spear has the exact same specs as the standard-issue sword the Hellenics favour.

Depends, of course, what exactly the opposition consists of and what troops happened to be along and available.

[russia almighty]

If I'm correct the chain mailed armored hoplites have a sword with AP and kick ass defense stats . There is your assault unit .

[Zarax]

It would seem to me that the Peltastai, being primarily skirmishers and light infantry, and the other two being primarily phalanx troops, might not necessarily be quite the optimal choice for the parts of siege assaults people usually want something definable as "assault infantry" for, ie. taking the walls and fighting through the breaches.

The likes of Thureophoroi and Hoplitai would seem to be rather better armoured than the Peltastai, and as non-phalanx troops better statted to the grind of cramped hand-to-hand combat that now tends to characterize these actions. Ditto for the Thorakitai.

That they don't use swords but rather spears hardly makes any difference, as the overhand spear has the exact same specs as the standard-issue sword the Hellenics favour.

Depends, of course, what exactly the opposition consists of and what troops happened to be along and available.

There are a few mentions of greek assault troops but those are pretty much of wealthier nobles assaulting in a heavy hoplite panoply and a kopis.
Most likely the same guys that in the field act as medium or heavy cavalry in sieges had the equipment to do some heavy melee job.