Thus it has come down to recommencing the thread due to my previous opening post which is perceived as... insulting. Mind you, I have no intention at all to insult. However, I have admitted my opening post to be slightly... unconventional and perhaps harsh to those who are receptive of irrelevant emotional influence. Call it the residue of my past Cynical nature which approaches people directly, honestly, and uncomfortably.

Bijo, if you want to discuss why people have certain beliefs then by all means try again, but avoid gratuitous insults to those who do not share your world view. Striking through an offensive attack does not suffice to moderate the insult.

You will find both proponents and opponents of faith quite willing to engage in debate, but you need to frame your discussion in the terms of respect you would expect for your own belief system.
Fact is: I have stated how religion irrationally does not support the search for truth and it rings true. What has been struck through...
and they should not be allowed to express their irrational opinions and beliefs which have the appearance of lies.
...was no attack however, but it was slightly something of a view indeed albeit loosely included -- it doesn't make it an attack. Know that I appreciate the Org and see no gain in insulting or attacking anyone of it. Furthermore, a person such as I would not resort to senseless offensives without good reason -- and I am one who dislikes and tries to a degree of extremity to avoid deliberate usage of non-reason, therefore such attacks performed by me would not occur.

I appreciate the allowance of another attempt


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Now then, let me restate the general case in short:
The only things certain to bring truth or to at least seek it fairly are logic, befitting philosophy, clear objective thinking, science, and the likes -- not religion or any kind of irrational belief without proper support.



Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou
Saying a belief in God is irrational is irrational.
Wherefore?

Quote Originally Posted by Husar
You must be a messenger of satan trying to fool us all with that satanic invention called logic.
Quote Originally Posted by me
The concept of Satan is irrelevant and silly. The point is that religion is irrational, therefore it does not support the finding of certain truth.

I will exemplify this easily with the following: if you, or anyone else, believes something has occurred, no matter what, did it in fact, really, truly, certainly, occur and does your belief properly support your conclusion that this something has occurred? The only true answer is 'no'.
Quote Originally Posted by Husar
Quote Originally Posted by me
The concept of Satan is irrelevant and silly.
In a rational, logical catholic society, you'd burn for that.
Setting logic and rationality above everything else is illogical and silly in itself.
I don't believe in the concept of universal logic.
The point remains: one's belief without proper support fails to undeniably conclude truth.

Allow me to re-exemplify with a question: if you believe your wife or girlfriend has cheated on you, does your belief make it true?


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We are to carefully investigate matters logically, scientifically, philosophically, rationally, and so forth -- not with the utilization of mere belief which religion has been exercising as its basis. And this considers not just religion but any kind of irrational belief.

Query: why do believers who are religious maintain belief in God? One is somehow convinced that there exists a deity whom one calls God, but is there any logic in this belief? Why start believing in the first place -- the requirement of comfort? Practicality? What is it?

Observation: the fact that religious people maintain their belief in God -- and that they uphold their related devotions, etc. -- without asking serious critical questions suggests they do not care about the (related) truth nor the quest to it.

If we follow where reason directs us, the probability of locating truth is significantly elevated.