Just an off-topic thread for WTW

[Decker]

The Silmarillion was basically the history of Middle Earth in the First and Second ages, plus a bit of the Third Age, compiled from JRRT's notes by his son Christopher. It focuses on the creation of Arda, the rise of the first dark lord Morgoth and the battles between the Elves and the forces of Darkness, and later on the fascinating intrigue between Sauron and Numenor. You had insane battles that eclipse anything in LOTR, where hundreds of balrogs and thousands of dragons battled elves, dwarves and men, in a kind of mythic grandeur like the Titanomachy of Greek Mythology.

It was really neat in the extended edition of FotR where you see Legolas looking scared witless when Gandalf says the word Balrog, considering the history of his folk with those beasties.

Now that is something worth reading other than WWII books that I have been reading a lot lately. I think I'll keep an eye out for these. I do think I've heard that rumored in the movie at some point too, don't quite remember tho. Hey, do they also talk about how the Dwarves were defeated?

To Spankfurt
Also, for the Warhammer books. Are you talking about the 40K books that I see in stores or Warhammer books?

[Bwian]

IT does indeed tell of the creation of the Dwarves, their involvement in the great battels of the First age, and of the fall of their great cities. It says how they were scattered, and oftheir move into Ered Luin. It also tells of the second age and the fall of Moria after the Elves taught Sauron the art of Ringmaking.

It's a bit heavier going than the LOTR books, but it is essential reading for any hard-core Tolkien fan

[Jubal_Barca]

Of course then there's other tales set in that age, the Children of Hurin (AWESOME book), Unfinished tales, etc.

Silmarillion is abosolutely awesome.

LOTR pwns Warhammer totally for story. Depth, originality, the lot. GW are a commercial company, not an english professor. The GW universe is far far far less vibrant and detailed than LOTR. LOTR did 90% of GW before GW did. Tolkein practically invented Elves as we know them, Dwarves as we know them, the idea of Orcs (even if not he GW ones), and created our modern idea of a fantasy universe. We have so much to thank him for. And everyone else has so much to balme him for.

Warhammer is a game though, so is more fun in mods and suchlike as it's made for combat and battlefield pwnage, not a story like LOTR.

GO WARHAMMER AND LOTR w00t!

OK, rant ovah...

[alexader]

jubal_barca .i think you've mayde a terrible mistake ,those creatures have been existed from the medieval times and from ancient tales so it's not a modern creation,also tolkein hadn't made any photo or picture of them in his book,peter jackshon has made a wonderfull work with this creatures,but of course tolkien hadn't invest those creature.orcs are better in warhammer and those are what people had thought that had existed in medieval times(and goblins of course.warhammer is not about making a story.it takes everything creature from tales or anything else and putting them in a game(personally i love LOTR but we have to saperate some thing)

[Jubal_Barca]

jubal_barca .i think you've mayde a terrible mistake ,those creatures have been existed from the medieval times and from ancient tales so it's not a modern creation,also tolkein hadn't made any photo or picture of them in his book,peter jackshon has made a wonderfull work with this creatures,but of course tolkien hadn't invest those creature.orcs are better in warhammer and those are what people had thought that had existed in medieval times(and goblins of course.warhammer is not about making a story.it takes everything creature from tales or anything else and putting them in a game(personally i love LOTR but we have to saperate some thing)

Dwarves have, true, but they were only really known as good smiths, nothing abot slowness, heavy armour, or a love of axes prior to Tolkein. Mediaeval Elves were pixies, tiny little things, not the human sized 'Elder Race' with all the nobility and whatnot. And Medieval Orcs were OGRES, giant human eating doodahs. And Tolekin was a good author because he didn't need pictures (he did actually draw a vast collection of artowrk but that's beside the point), he described it all in amazing detail, tha's why LOTR is sooo good.

And if you say Jackson invented the iconic imagery of LOTR I will personally kill you.

[alexader]

ok ,whatever you say(i can't chance your mind)but i don't belive in that but it's your opinion and i respect it(so every game should have the tolkien copyright below,right?)(but for the love of god it not just one man that invented all this,what have bwian to tell about this?i would like to see his opinion to(i'm not fighting you Jubal_Barca,it's just an argument,so be cool).

[Krazysigmarite]

It's basically common knowledge that all fantasy games are inspired by one another. But there is a difference between Inspiration and Plagiarism.

INSPIRATION: LOTR inspires Warhammer
PLAGIARISM: Warhammer is plagiarised by Warcraft (and it's gothic sci-fi counterpart 40k into starcraft )

Not really going to delve into why I personally believe this, but every solid fact points to the above conclusion, after one does research.

LOTR will always hold a place in the hearts of fantasy fans, but it has the disadvantage of being a universe stuck in limbo, that will never change, because the creator is dead.

Warhammer has one of the most detailed and rich universes ever created, and the historical references in it are amazingly deep and intelligent. It isn't politically correct, or dumbed-down for mass consumption. There is no pure good, or pure evil, in the Warhammer universe. It is not darkness against light. It is an insane world, and because of this, it is entirely believable - it is essentially our world, with magic and monsters representing the best and worst aspects of the human psyche and culture.